Sanders, Clinton stumble on questions about racial injustices at Flint debate

Democratic presidential debate in Flint.
Democratic presidential debate in Flint.

By Steve Neavling
ticklethewire.com

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton appeared to be caught off guard by questions about race during the Democratic debate in Flint.

CNN anchor Don Lemon asked the candidates about their “racial blind spots.”

Bernie SandersSanders’ response caught heavy criticism on social media.

“When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to live in a ghetto,” Sanders said.

Many African Americans responded that racism goes beyond class.

“Bad decision to reference ‘living in the ghetto.’ Middle class and wealthy Black people experience racism too,” E.S. tweeted.

Sanders also seemed to undermine how entrenched racism is, suggesting that he can end it.

“We are going to end institutional racism,” Sanders said.

When Clinton was asked about her “racial biases,” she dodged the question and said church gave her “insights” into “systemic racism.”

Clinton also said she regrets calling some young criminals “super predators” when asked whether she was using coded language for black people. Clinton supported the 1994 Crime Bill, which resulted in the mass incarceration of black people. She has since said it was a mistake.

Lemon, who is black, asked Clinton, “Why should black people trust you to get it right this time?”

Again, Clinton appeared to dodge the question, Lemon said.

“Well, Sen. Sanders voted for it as well,” Clinton responded. “Are you going to ask him the same question?”

In closing remarks, Clinton pledged to tackle racism.

“I do want to take on the barriers of systemic racism,” Clinton said. “I may not have experienced them, but I see the results every single day.”

Sanders ended his closing remarks, saying, “We need in this country a political revolution where ordinary people stand up and reclaim the government that men and women fought and died for.”

So far, African Americans have largely supported Clinton, while Sanders has won big with young people.

Here is a video of Sanders expressing concerns about the 1994 Crime Bill.

Steve Neavling

Steve Neavling lives and works in Detroit as an investigative journalist. His stories have uncovered corruption, led to arrests and reforms and prompted FBI investigations.

  • Daniel Shawn

    copy/cut/past/re:post/share >……IF YOUR NOT WALKIN’ THE WALK, your just another politician talkin’ the talk…. HILLARY’s SENATE RECORD & Other Facts:

    CITIZENS UNITED…………….SUPPORTS IT / USES IT
    (allows millions of $ from corporate
    interest to pour into the political process
    to fund campaigns by SuperPACs.
    aka “the legal bribing system”)

    WELFARE REFORM ACT…………SUPPORTED IT
    (hillary advocated for big cuts to the
    federal aid for needy families & the
    homeless to reduce gov spending.
    bigger military spending was more
    important then citizens)

    DOMA ………………………………….VOTED FOR IT
    (Defense Of Marriage Act, prevented
    equal rights for alternative marriage)

    PRISON PROFITEERING ……………….SUPPORTS IT
    (hillary advocated hard lobbying
    up many votes on capital hill for the
    “Crime Control & Law Enf. Act of ’94”
    amping up Reagan’s ‘War On Drugs’
    by calling blk teens super predators
    needing to be brought to heel. many
    blk/hisp hoods turned into police states
    by random stops & searches in these
    hoods sparking the mass incarceration
    we see today. till this day hillary’s against
    lighter sentencing for non-violent offenders
    like marijuana users, hillary’s Prison Donors
    need people in prison (meat for the grinder)

    FRACKING / OFF-SHORE OILING ……VOTED FOR IT
    (along w/ relaxed provisions and
    regulations so oil companies can
    save $ by drilling on the cheep,
    resulting in the gulf of mexico
    oil spill of 2010… fracking has
    resulted in earthquakes, damaging
    property & suspected in derailment of
    trains because changing ground levels
    due to fracking)

    KEYSTONE PIPELINE…………………….SUPPORTED IT
    (will result in emanate domain,
    taking lands from citizens so Oil
    Companies can profit, hillary flip
    flopped on this issue recently for
    political convenience)

    BREAKING UP BIG BANKS ……………….AGAINST IT
    (to avoid another “too big to fail”
    fallout scenario like in ’08 Crash.
    millions of lost jobs, lost homes,
    401K’s, Billions lost in tax-payer $.
    hillary says trust ‘Dodd Frank Act’
    to police Big Banks into doing the
    right thing on Wall St….basically
    saying if they crash it again there’ll
    be penalties……..REALLY?NO!)

    TPP FREE-TRADE…………………………..VOTED FOR IT
    (lost U.S jobs / companies
    profited on cheep labor by
    out sourcing american jobs)

    UNIONS…………………………………….. AGAINST IT
    (while on the Walmart board of
    directors, hillary didn’t support
    her employees efforts to unionize
    to fight for livable wages & equal
    wages for women co-workers)

    BANKRUPTCY REFORM ACT…………..VOTED FOR IT
    (made it harder to fix & get good
    credit, big banks & credit card
    companies rake in record profits
    by keeping customers in the ‘Red’
    longer to pay high penalty fees
    & high interest rates)

    GLASS STEAGALL ACT…………..DIDN’T SUPPORT IT
    (regulation passed by FDR to
    prevent another great depression,
    deregulated by the Clintons in ’99.
    would have prevented the ’08 Wall
    St.Crash.. today hillary defends big
    banks by claiming there’s no need
    for glass steagall because ‘Dodd
    Frank Act’ will police the big banks
    into doing the right thing…”Trust the
    Banks Again!?” ..don’t think so)

    IRAQ WAR AUTHORIZATION…………..VOTED FOR IT
    (cost the tax payers 1.7trillion,
    destabilized the middle east,
    leading to ISIS today.. 700,000
    esti. arabs dead, 4500 alley u.s.
    soldiers dead, countless more
    dismembered or suffering from
    postpartum war symptoms,
    Corporations like halliburton
    make $Billions off Iraq War)

    REGIME CHANGE …………………… SUPPORTS IT
    voted for iraq war and as
    sec.of state hillary backed
    overthrows in lybia, yemen,
    egypt, & now syria furthering
    mass chaos in middle east

    GMO INDUSTRY…………………………SUPPORTS IT
    (the taking over of gov. funded
    Genetically Modified Organism
    companies in the farming sector
    pushing out family farmers,
    the non labeling of GMO’s
    in packaged foods in stores)

    MTBE BAN BILL …………… …….VOTED AGAINST IT
    (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether,
    a chemical used by Big Oil &
    Gas discovered to be toxic to
    the enviroment & local water
    supplies causing cancer)

    1960 CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT…………..AGAINST IT
    (Hillary was a “Goldwater Girl”
    worked for the Barry Goldwater
    campaign which was anti-new deal,
    anti-welfare, anti-unions,anti-gay rights,
    anti-abortion, pro mass deportation..
    Goldwater voted against
    The Civil Rights Act of ’64)

    ^google it/ yahoo it/ wikipedia it/ youtube it…
    these are facts easily found all over the internet
    Bernie was on the opposite side of these issues

    a “short-short” List of HILLARY $PEECHE$
    click on pic/link, then click on pic to expand
    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/08/Hillary%20Clinton%20Speeches%202013-2015_1.jpg

  • javierjuanmanuel

    “When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to live in a ghetto,” Sanders said.

    What pandering BS. Even in detroit there is about 10 percent poor people living in the hood, and nothing is worse than being the poor white kid at the poor black school. Unless you are smooth as hell, the funniest kid in school, and or a great athlete, you are getting beat up weekly for your whole life. Thats just a fact. You will get beat on, your whole life, for just being white, and people will even say that. Yet nothing will happen to you. No one will ever call it a hate crime.

    Bernie needs to get out more, tons of towns are very large and very very white. The twin cities in minesota have ghetto area, there are hardly any black people in the entire state !

    White people invented ghetto, its the name for the trashy enclave in poland, where jews like bernie lived. Who is more pale and white than a polish person, a irishmen or finn maybe ?

    White people who came here the last 100 years, often lived in the ghetto, and it often took at least 1-2 generations to get out of the ghetto. TONS of white people that are 60-100 grew up literally dirt floor poor. White people did not come here on luxury liners, they came here before there was even any sort of social programs. No bridge card, no heat subsidies, no section 8. They lived 11-14 people in one or two room wood shacks crappy than most garages.

  • A better story would be to investigate why Clinton was allowed to “stump” in direct violation of these churches tax exempt status http://teabagsandcoffeegrinds.blogspot.com/2016/03/hillary-clinton-stumps-at-detroit-black.html

    • javierjuanmanuel

      I want to hear why she turns into a 1970s jive talking sista when she is in black churches. Its hilarious to me that blacks like her, she is fake as hell.

      She has no idea how to talk to black people, and just be herself. She is a white girl with a very rich white republican father, she went to private schools. She has absolutely no idea how to act if she is in a crowd that is about 80 percent black, it flips a switch in her brain and she acts like a fool.

      • javierjuanmanuel

        I do not like bernies politics but he is a real dude. He is that old broklynn jew. He does not talk different, stand different, go off in weird directions talking to different groups. You will not see him in alabama saying yall, and I know thats rights, and calling people sista, and say parise looooord, baby jesus! He stays that same old brooklyn jew.

        I do not think he would even change that much if you gave him a ton of money, he was to poor, too long. Its to ingrained in him to be real.

        • Donald E. Hodge

          Yeah, you like assholes like Trump who if Elected will ship your ass to the other side of the wall as soon as he can. Hey its the new world order that you agree with, remember? Oh yeah, I forgot you have ” the right kind of papers” that say you can stay here right? good luck with that.

          • javierjuanmanuel

            I am third generation american on both sides of the family, and half white (Italian). I have brown hair and green eyes. Spanish people went everywhere, why do you think you know where my grandpa or great grandpa are from?

            Why would I be sent away, because my last name ends in vowel ?

            For all you know, my family could have come over in the 1600s and set up shop in florida. They didn’t, but you had no way of knowing that.

            Every latin dude here, did not just sneak in last week in the gas tank of a VW bus. Hell, regan gave amnesty to millions. My great grand parents all had papers, all grand parents but one were born here.

          • Steve

            He made a knee-jerk assumption based on your ethnic-sounding name. If a Republican did that, he/she would be accused of racial profiling.

          • rhoneyman

            huh? but he *was* committing racial profiling. it was a stupid comment. doesn’t matter whether it comes from the left or the right.

          • Donald E. Hodge

            unlike your boy right? hes the biggest racist on this page. so get your facts right before you start pointing fingers asshole.

          • rhoneyman

            hey. don’t hold back. how do you really feel?

      • javierjuanmanuel

        I do not like bernies politics but he is a real dude. He is that old broklynn jew. He does not talk different, stand different, go off in weird directions talking to different groups. You will not see him in alabama saying yall, and I know thats rights, and calling people sista, and say parise looooord, baby jesus! He stays that same old brooklyn jew.

        I do not think he would even change that much if you gave him a ton of money, he was to poor, too long. Its to ingrained in him to be real.

      • Now, only to be fair, the Secretary will pick up her southern drawl in front of a southern audience the same way she drops “spanish slang” when she is in front of a spanish speaking audience. Let a labeler show her stereotyping as she has always done in policymaking.

    • javierjuanmanuel

      I want to hear why she turns into a 1970s jive talking sista when she is in black churches. Its hilarious to me that blacks like her, she is fake as hell.

      She has no idea how to talk to black people, and just be herself. She is a white girl with a very rich white republican father, she went to private schools. She has absolutely no idea how to act if she is in a crowd that is about 80 percent black, it flips a switch in her brain and she acts like a fool.

  • A better story would be to investigate why Clinton was allowed to “stump” in direct violation of these churches tax exempt status http://teabagsandcoffeegrinds.blogspot.com/2016/03/hillary-clinton-stumps-at-detroit-black.html

  • Cathy Miller Carroll

    It would be an awkward question to have to answer. I hope Bernie gets the chance to clarify his answer. He also said during the debate that his family was poor and lived in a tiny apartment, so he knows that white people can be poor too.

    • Donald E. Hodge

      I agree with you on this Kathy. That question was put forth to be ” The set-up Question”. How would Don Lemon answer that Question if it was dropped on him like a 16 ton weight?

    • Donald E. Hodge

      I agree with you on this Kathy. That question was put forth to be ” The set-up Question”. How would Don Lemon answer that Question if it was dropped on him like a 16 ton weight?

    • SnowStormsinDetroit

      Agreed. Sanders should definitely get a chance to rephrase. But honestly its not his fault, the Liberal media has always intentionally made poverty an exclusively Black thing.

      In fact, white people fall for this trick so damn hard that even the poor whites have convinced themselves they ain’t poor “like Blacks”. Lolol

      • javierjuanmanuel

        Blacks essentially have a lobby, poor whites are on their own.

        Its the same reason everything on tv about poor people is supposed to make you think how bad they have it, not how bad they are.

        Example they go to a school and ask how many witnessed violence. EVERY fricken kid raises a hand. How many know someone who has been shot, about 90 percent raise their hand. How many have a parent in jail, or prison, a third raise their hand. How many on probation. Half the fricken kids raise their hand.

        If you are in the burbs all you can think of is holy hell ! If there is a car break in on my street every 5 years people flip out ! What they hell are they doing.

        Then the next message on tv is, detroit is fine, everyone come hang out.

        Ha, you say, tv, you just told me everyone is shooting each other. I never knew anyone who spent any amount of time in jail until I was out of college. That whole DPS school just raised their hands !

        The tv lobbies to make you feel bad for them, but its not hard to make you scared, and thats coming from someone who goes to detroit all the time, and lives with in 1.5 miles of the city his whole life.

        Tv says look how messed up it is, do not judge, judging is impossible.

        All I can think is I know lots of poor rural whites and latinos and they did not all go to school with half the parents in jail or on probation.

      • javierjuanmanuel

        Blacks essentially have a lobby, poor whites are on their own.

        Its the same reason everything on tv about poor people is supposed to make you think how bad they have it, not how bad they are.

        Example they go to a school and ask how many witnessed violence. EVERY fricken kid raises a hand. How many know someone who has been shot, about 90 percent raise their hand. How many have a parent in jail, or prison, a third raise their hand. How many on probation. Half the fricken kids raise their hand.

        If you are in the burbs all you can think of is holy hell ! If there is a car break in on my street every 5 years people flip out ! What they hell are they doing.

        Then the next message on tv is, detroit is fine, everyone come hang out.

        Ha, you say, tv, you just told me everyone is shooting each other. I never knew anyone who spent any amount of time in jail until I was out of college. That whole DPS school just raised their hands !

        The tv lobbies to make you feel bad for them, but its not hard to make you scared, and thats coming from someone who goes to detroit all the time, and lives with in 1.5 miles of the city his whole life.

        Tv says look how messed up it is, do not judge, judging is impossible.

        All I can think is I know lots of poor rural whites and latinos and they did not all go to school with half the parents in jail or on probation.

        • JC

          That’s deep, bro.

    • SnowStormsinDetroit

      Agreed. Sanders should definitely get a chance to rephrase. But honestly its not his fault, the Liberal media has always intentionally made poverty an exclusively Black thing.

      In fact, white people fall for this trick so damn hard that even the poor whites have convinced themselves they ain’t poor “like Blacks”. Lolol

    • javierjuanmanuel

      Bernie is a self loathing Jew and a self loathing white guy.

      He knows, but he wants pats on the back. He works for pats on the back, and being told he is one of the good ones.

      Flint is 50-50 or 49-51 white black. All this would prove is that poor whites count as much as poor blacks, which on its own bernie would want you to think EVERY black has it the worst. Even if your dad is a car dealer, a surgeon and you are black you have it bad. Every white dude has white privilege etc. Except for the poor white dude living in the hood in a crappy rental drinking the water the poor black drinks, its some how WORSE that a poor black guy drank it. Crap water sent to everyone becomes a black thing. Thats amazing.

      Poorness is the great equalizer, and worse for poor whites. They is no affirmative action for a poor white man.

      They did not pump nice water to white homes and crap water to black homes. Poor people got shafted, mostly because their crap leaders the last 40 years would not balance their books.

      • Donald E. Hodge

        I sure am glad you have so much love for poor whites. I am certain they will find great comfort in that.

        • javierjuanmanuel

          I do not love anyone less because of their color. All I said is flint is almost 50-50 white – not white.

          They didn’t segregate the city, and then send nice water to whites, and crap water to non whites.

          I am certain all the people making water a black thing, will make all the blacks you do not care about for other reasons feel loved. You are saving the world, one bleeding black heart at a time.

    • javierjuanmanuel

      Bernie is a self loathing Jew and a self loathing white guy.

      He knows, but he wants pats on the back. He works for pats on the back, and being told he is one of the good ones.

      Flint is 50-50 or 49-51 white black. All this would prove is that poor whites count as much as poor blacks, which on its own bernie would want you to think EVERY black has it the worst. Even if your dad is a car dealer, a surgeon and you are black you have it bad. Every white dude has white privilege etc. Except for the poor white dude living in the hood in a crappy rental drinking the water the poor black drinks, its some how WORSE that a poor black guy drank it. Crap water sent to everyone becomes a black thing. Thats amazing.

      Poorness is the great equalizer, and worse for poor whites. They is no affirmative action for a poor white man.

      They did not pump nice water to white homes and crap water to black homes. Poor people got shafted, mostly because their crap leaders the last 40 years would not balance their books.