Odd twist: Controversial men’s rights conference in Detroit moves to suburban VFW hall

This VFW post is hosting the conference. Photo via VFW.
VFW Post 1146 Walter F. Bruce in St. Clair Shores. Photo via VFW.

In an odd turn of events, the organizers of a controversial men’s rights conference moved the event from a swanky downtown Detroit hotel to a suburban VFW hall.

A Voice for Men announced the change Wednesday evening, insisting the move was prompted by surging interest in the inaugural International Conference on Men’s Issues following protests and online skirmishes.

Conference supporters saturated social media and comment sections following the news, many of them taunting opponents with crude and inflammatory remarks, including one by the self-identified spokeswoman for the conference:

With just two weeks until the conference begins on June 26, the attendees’ lodging reservations at the Hilton DoubleTree were canceled. The event is now being held at VFW Post 1146 Walter F. Bruce in St. Clair Shores, at 28404 Jefferson Ave.

VFW Post 1146
VFW Post 1146

The hotel and Texas-based men’s rights group clashed over the costs of extra security and insurance after alleged threats were made by opponents of the conference.

A Voice for Men quickly raised $25,000 in donations – money it plans to still use, said the group’s founder Paul Elam.

“We will be hiring professional security to blanket the entire event, as well as the lodging facilities,” Elam said.

Organizers said they will announce new hotel options soon.

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The group has been criticized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “women haters whose fury goes well beyond criticism of the family court system, domestic violence laws and false rape accusations.”

Its followers claim they are oppressed by irrational feminists who hate men. The group also accuses women of exaggerating the frequency of rape and denounces “the institution of marriage as unsafe and unsuitable for modern men.”

When asked Wednesday what A Voice for Men planned to do with the security money, the conference spokeswoman quipped:

Steve Neavling

Steve Neavling lives and works in Detroit as an investigative journalist. His stories have uncovered corruption, led to arrests and reforms and prompted FBI investigations.

  • TheTrue Pooka

    “Hookers and coke!”

    Stay classy, San Diego because the MRM ain’t going to.

  • Teflon Expat

    Shortly, there will appear a highly biased ‘article’ laying out all the details and history regarding threats, case numbers, hotels, police departments and featuring a very carefully selected set of comments made on this and other blogs. What is the agenda behind it and what will be the conclusion?

  • Teflon Expat

    Payback is not complete. AVfM remains a thorn in the feminist side and its off to the VFW for some relief.

  • Teflon Expat

    Ban the offensive and infuriating red pill. STOP the “International Conference on Men’s Issues!”

  • tbill618

    SPLC is a profit center for Morris Dees. They exist to generate revenue for their associated law firms. http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/king-fearmongers_714573.html

  • Teflon Expat

    Prior to all the petitions and blind-to-reality protests…why didn’t someone from AVfM simply invite the gripe-laden feminists? They could come with their cameras, sound equipment and even a staff. Its still not too late. Maybe someone should go talk to those Elam about that. Huh.

    • Francisco Salazar

      He did invite them.

      • Teflon Expat

        That invite was referred to as “laughable”
        So of course, the feminists responded with an even more laughable ‘protest.’ The new popular phrase applied to them is “check your seething anger and temper”

        • Francisco Salazar

          And while mainstream feminists turned their noses at his tone, a local YouTuber took him up on the offer. Nocturnus Libertus, an African-American radical anarcha-feminist who is a member of Femen USA and appears to be well-known foil for AVFM commenters. She even did a short Skype interview with Dean Esmay to talk about it. Turned it didnt’ have to be this huge rigamarole.

          • Teflon Expat

            The huge rigamarole was looking for a venue. No amount of diplomacy would have stopped it. It was years in the making. Feminists were in a lather that was foaming over due in large part to the the woozle effect.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woozle_effect

            How could AVfM not have known the intense level of angst that would come there way?

          • Francisco Salazar

            Well, you can’t prevent someone from being emotional and illogical.

          • Teflon Expat

            No. All you can do is get outta town and head for a military compound.

  • Clifford Forester

    Men’s rights people: what rights don’t I have that I should be fighting for? I don’t think I’m sufficiently feeling feminist oppression just yet.

    • Mike Hunt

      Start here, Cliff:www.cultural-misandry.com/mens-rights/

      • Teflon Expat

        Uh oh. Sharing such information could lead to threats and protests. This could be you smiling one day..
        http://i.imgur.com/lkNiKl.jpg

        • Attila_L_Vinczer

          Not sure where this picture came from, but for that mob to attack this man is extreme and animalistic and terrifying.

          I have never seen this photo before, but can assure you if a woman was the one being attacked, it would have made front page news around the world.

          • Teflon Expat

            Its a feminist mob. They wanted him to be terrified. But he kept giggling and that is what really blew their corks. Then he giggled more and eventually the feminists just simply ran out of energy and nearly cried before retreating. Sound familiar? The MRAs are giggling at them and that leads to a pattern of retreats, regrouping and fresh attacks. The protests didn’t bring satisfaction so something else has to be brewing.

          • Auntie Alias

            “The protests didn’t bring satisfaction”

            The point of the protest was to get the conference out of the Doubletree.

          • Teflon Expat

            What a relief! There is nothing like a gaggle of satisfied feminists. Like weary soldiers returning from war, its back to civilian life where they can relish in their victory of scaring the crap out of a hotel and running the object of their ire out of town.

          • Auntie Alias

            A peaceful protest shouldn’t scare anybody.

          • Teflon Expat

            Something did. But a mystery it shall remain. The past is the past. AVFM will not be encountering feminists for the rest of the month and the feminists are done and satisfied. Plus the media had something to write about and made a little money. Not too shabby.

          • Auntie Alias

            “AVFM will not be encountering feminists for the rest of the month”

            Except one feminist they’ve agreed could attend and report on the conference. 😛

          • Teflon Expat

            “We have multiples times offered to contact protesters and talk, invited them to peacefully protest and attend, you know, and find out that we’re human”
            -AVfM

            That memo must have been missed. Way back in May. Stuck in between some pile of take out menus. Happens. All those clenched fists and gnashed teeth and Sharpies for naught. So silly…

            But better late than never

          • Auntie Alias

            That “memo” is laughable in so many ways.

          • Teflon Expat

            Well some poor sap responded. Nobody is perfect…

            But fight fire with fire. Go have a more laughable protest. Its so rich…

          • Auntie Alias

            Yeah? A protester met with AVFM?

          • Teflon Expat

            Probably not (but if one did – do give that person a proper spanking). Now someone is going in to clean up the mess that was so appropriately created. This is such rich tabloid material…if it wasn’t the actual feminist-handled reality.

          • Auntie Alias

            You love attributing trouble to feminists without a shred of proof. Like that photo above.

          • Teflon Expat

            Only to obviously troubled feminists. Most feminists know better. That is why not one ‘known’ feminist has even made a comment about the Detroit debacle.

          • Auntie Alias

            Poor planning blew up in Elam’s face. I kinda doubt he’d want feminists publicizing his incompetence.

          • Teflon Expat

            Everything is publicizing. The conference was publicizing. Announcing it was publicizing. What would have been better planning?

          • Auntie Alias

            Realistically estimate the number of attendees. When the minimum number haven’t signed up by a certain date, cancel the damned thing instead of pretending there were sufficient numbers to go ahead. (I noticed that the number of ticket sales weren’t announced.) Don’t make up bullshit stories about feminist threats to cover your own ass.

            This whole thing has been an exercise in damage control with feminists made the scapegoats.

          • Teflon Expat

            Um, if the feminists didn’t want to feel all scapgoat-ey butt hurt they could have, ya know, kept quiet and let it all slip under the radar. But it certainly has been a boat load of fun. Their thank-you cards should arrive this week.

          • Auntie Alias

            It’s kind of hard to ignore AVFM broadcasting the lie that feminists made death threats to a prominent hotel.

          • Teflon Expat

            Start with not making petitions, then showing up with Sharpies, chanting and venting. That equals keeping it all under the radar. Then nothing would have happened. Including some rogue calling in threats.

          • Auntie Alias

            Legal forms of protest don’t justify lying about feminists making violent threats. You’re just proving what I’ve always said; AVFM’s “activism” is primarily about shutting up the opposition by fair means or foul – usually the latter.

            To hell with the welfare of men and boys when there are women to demonize and terrorize. What a despicable, hateful group of whiners.

          • Teflon Expat

            Not writing petitions and protesting at all would mean that NOBODY would know about the conference (except for the attendees and a few hotel employees). If feminists already knew that AVfM is expert at demonizing them with words…why walk into that slaughter? They can’t compete tit for tat. These feminists need a PR manager for sure, and more yoga. Valium too.

          • Auntie Alias

            “These feminists need a PR manager for sure”

            Bwahahaha! I guarantee you that feminists wouldn’t make jokes about using funding for hookers and coke and then claim it was a deliberate publicity strategy or make an asinine statement like “Our new venue manager: Let those Wayne Street c*nts f*ck themselves up their own asses.”

            As for who needs Valium, only hysterical fools would believe the nonsense being spoonfed to them that attendees need to keep their hotel accommodations a secret or else the evil feminazis will attack them in their sleep. Sheesh! Now they’re flipping out at the news a feminist plans to attend the conference and are crying about fire alarm pulling and false rape accusations. Grown men have been reduced to frightened babies by Paul Elam’s hateful fear-mongering. Think about what he stands to gain by doing that.

          • Teflon Expat

            Well then, they are certainly nobodies. And nobody of any importance or influence pays them any mind, just feminists. Therefore, the only logical explanation is feminists are offended by them and want revenge. That is actually understandable and very compelling. Its human nature. So, now that its all understood, what manner of revenge will be satisfactory?

          • Auntie Alias

            Reading comprehension fail AND logic fail. Care to retry?

          • Teflon Expat

            oh hell no. its perfect

          • Auntie Alias

            Let’s recap. Paul Elam stoked unnecessary fears and when it had the desired effect on the attendees, you called them nobodies. And somehow this is a feminist revenge tactic for, what, pulling Elam’s strings like a puppet?

            You paint an unflattering picture of Dear Leader and his disciples.

          • Teflon Expat

            Two weeks remain to find the fear-stoking evidence. As it stands right now, it was the feminists. The revenge is for being offended for YEARS with no ability to vent. AVfM is off line in a physical target and thus the venting target du jour. Its good to vent. Its healthy. Let em have their venting session. Since Elam is not influential its is solely about revenge. Its a revenge fest. Its anger release. What is wrong with that?

          • Auntie Alias

            If Elam isn’t influential, funny how he has his followers quivering in fear.

            What you and they fail to understand is that accommodations were never the issue. It’s the conference itself that’s the problem. No one gives a hoot what hotels individuals are staying at. Elam knows that; he’s just stirring the pot for his own reasons.

          • Teflon Expat

            He is not influential outside of his circle. He really pisses of feminists. That is UNDENIABLE. So yes, it is infinitely infuriating for feminists just knowing that Elam will formerly meet and discuss topics with his ‘followers.’ Its an AFFRONT and the feminists cannot tolerate it. They are, once again, blowing their corks. Elam gets off on that and feminists know he does and that just increases the anger. Essentially, he is showing his dick to them like the giggling dude above.

          • Auntie Alias

            Promoting hatred tends to piss people off. That’s why the conference is an affront to decent people.

          • Teflon Expat

            Its an affront to feminists. Only feminists are on the attack. Only feminists are personally offended. No one else. Anyone can claim another is “promoting hatred” as it is solely the opinion of the person offended and made angry. This is a Bitch Fest and other feminists in the country know it and are staying away so as not to belittle themselves. Denying these facts is unsurprising. No feminist involved in this BF wants it boiled down to what it really is.

          • Auntie Alias

            That’s a truckload of wishful thinking. Cripes, even Breitbart’s latest piece was giving it the side-eye, much to my surprise. Dean was trounced in his Fox interview. Every single article I’ve read has mocked the MRM and this conference. The only exception was the Al Jazeera article and that’s because it was a straight interview with no editorializing. When you can’t control the message, you fail in the court of public opinion.

            You people are deluding yourselves in believing only feminists care about a group that routinely demeans women and incites anger against them.

          • Teflon Expat

            This matter is entirely about the conference because they are making it about the conference.

            “The point of the protest was to get the conference out of the Doubletree.”

            Yes, the feminist protest by feminists for feminism. The vast majority of women are not feminists. So sorry.

            Feminists are the only people who are fuming over the actual meeting…not just saying it should not happen…but actually getting all-freaked-out. Getting the conference cancelled is to seek satisfaction, its a target, its a way to ‘score’ and it is a vendetta and that is a bitch fest. Is to make a statement. Running the group out of town does not disband the group but it does rally the feminist troops. Oh, this is so transparent.

          • Auntie Alias

            That cognitive dissonance must be painful.

          • Mike Hunt

            Projection.

          • Auntie Alias

            He exposed his penis at a feminist rally. Talk about animalistic.

          • Teflon Expat

            Of all places! Plenty of homeless dudes and silly teens do that too. But GOD FORBID IF A RAPID FEMINIST RALLY IS NEARBY!!

          • Auntie Alias

            Trust an MRA to wave off a crime.

          • Teflon Expat

            At worst, a warning might be issued by a cop. But in an obvious trigger hair explosive situation like a feminist rally…its suicide.

          • Auntie Alias

            I’ve no doubt he survived the backlash that he triggered with his indecent exposure. He might even have had a good laugh about it afterward with his MRA buddies.

          • Teflon Expat

            The only ‘right’ he was it in for was to goad ready-to-blow-a cork feminists. A national pastime that nearly everyone appreciates. But true, his buddies were ready with cameras.

          • Auntie Alias

            I can assure you that only a very small percentage of the population appreciates indecent exposure as a gesture of disdain towards women. The people who do applaud that are misogynists.

          • Teflon Expat

            All feminist goading is misogynist. In any and every form. Its misogyny nation! Get with the program…

          • Auntie Alias

            Apologist.

          • Teflon Expat

            A feminist goading apologist. Yeah, what the heck

    • Terrence S M Popp

      all you need to know can be seen in divorce court.

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  • Auntie Alias

    Topics you’ll never see on a men’s rights conference agenda:

    1. Lessons for Men From the Elliot Rodger Massacre

    2. Real Men Don’t Rape

    3. Accountability 101

    • Teflon Expat

      They don’t need to be official topics. Those are matters for regular chit chat. Just like “Why Feminist Protests are Critical” is not a listed agenda topic.

      • Auntie Alias

        I can assure you no one will be chit-chatting about them either.

        • Teflon Expat

          You’ll never know unless you go. But do pontificate.

          • Auntie Alias

            A+ for projection.

          • Teflon Expat

            Radical feminism is the best teacher. Thats how Elam manipulated the entire protest last week. ouch!

          • Auntie Alias

            Manipulated how?

    • Mike Hunt

      1.) Elliott Rodger had nothing to do with men’s rights.

      2.) True. In fact the car majority of men don’t rape and find it abhorrent.

      3.) Have any feminists been hello accountable for their illegal “protest” methods yet?

      4.) Yes, please do. Like, maybe don’t pull fire alarms unless there’s a fire?

      • Auntie Alias

        1. BZZZZT! The reflexive response is the wrong response. (Hint: It has something to do with misogyny.)

        2. Yet MRAs trivialize rape and blame victims instead of perpetrators.

        3. BZZZZT! Deflection.

        4. BZZZZT! Deflection.

        Score: 0.5/4

        • Teflon Expat

          In this bizarro world EVERYTHING has to do with misogyny. So much for that…

          • Auntie Alias

            Hardly.

        • Mike Hunt

          Bzzt: projection! (And insanity)

          You need a new playbook, David. You’ve become boring.

  • Teflon Expat

    Due to the frightening harassment and intimidation now normalized and condoned in feminist culture, conference participants will be lodging at undisclosed locations. The only remaining risk is from roving bands of feminist martyrs. These types won’t be carrying signs or otherwise humiliating themselves. The bombastic protesters have retreated to their keyboards and are harmlessly pumping out the latest unicorns and rainbows feminist ‘theories.’

    • Auntie Alias

      I always knew MRAs were man-babies. Thanks for the confirmation!

      • Teflon Expat

        Thats it? Thats how you throw the last of the sand from the box in which you play?

        • Auntie Alias

          I dunno. I thought it was pretty good. 😀

    • Auntie Alias

      Okay, I just read the official announcement about that. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      How gullible can you get?!? Too funny.

      • Teflon Expat

        If you assume Americans are not gullible…then you’re good to go. Uh Oh. The national headline-

        “Men’s rights group flees threatening feminists for safety at military compound”

        “Unpopular angry feminists threaten hotel and scare innocent conference attendees”

        This is so rich

        • Auntie Alias

          Please do alert the press to this national misandry crisis. LOL

          • Teflon Expat

            Those big words confuse people. Best to stick with sensationalism. Always sells

          • Auntie Alias

            Okay. Looking forward to the big media splash!

          • Teflon Expat

            Sadly, the protests are over so its more difficult now. But maybe there is a way to salvage this.

          • Auntie Alias

            I’m sure the Grand Poobah will dream up something. He’s already laid the groundwork for it. 😀

  • Attila_L_Vinczer

    Steve Neavling
    Steve Neavling lives and works in Detroit as an investigative journalist. His stories have uncovered corruption, led to arrests and reforms and prompted FBI investigations.

    Why don’t you live up to your reputation. Do your investigative journalism and encourage the authorities to investigate the threats that were brought about, if real. If not, find out who fabricated them. Either way, they are serious felony actions that deserve severe punishment to deter and to ensure safety.

    It would be nice to see you bring about arrests, reform and FBI investigation(s) against those who went way too far to undermine the Detroit International Men’s Conference by any means.

    • Teflon Expat

      Yes, this is a critical matter as the credibility of the feminist movement precariously remains in the balance.

      • Auntie Alias

        You only wish.

        • Teflon Expat

          Every one of the 12 non union and unpaid protestors from last week’s sole protest would certainly agree that it is critical.

          • Auntie Alias

            Yeah, I looked at all 12 of the Frisky comments. I couldn’t be bothered to counter your lie.

          • Teflon Expat

            Without evidence to counter that truth, you are very wise indeed.

          • sarahgray

            There is no evidence feminists are a threat to anyone, generally or in this specific instance.

            That we have been apparently successful in convincing every convention location that’s actually in the city to refuse to host your hate group must burn, I know.

            No need to make up lies 🙂

          • Teflon Expat

            Who knows. The VFW was reserved weeks ago as a back up due to safety out of the central city due solely to the feminists threat. Its an untouchable location and nary a feminist will be found. But apparently after more than a week of extreme frustration please feel free to make yourself feel better. The threats live on!

          • sarahgray

            So now you’re claiming the protestors were paid?

            That’s more of an AVfM tactic.

          • Teflon Expat

            Not the 12. There are a few die hards who are driven solely by supreme mis directed fuming anger. Good for them.

          • Teflon Expat
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  • Joy

    So Steve,I guess when they can’t attack me, and by extension can’t counter the hate speech that their leaders are making, they attack you. You’re in good company Steve. They’ve attacked writers on every story about them, even stories that were giving them a lot of leeway, making them sound like a bunch of dudes who wanted to sit in a room and talk about feelings.

    In reality, they’re their own worst enemy. Carry on MRA’s!

    • Teflon Expat
      • Auntie Alias

        Misogynists and terrorists.

        • Teflon Expat

          Where’s that dang Misogyny Police?

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Diana Boston, AKA, Joy, Auntie Alias and God knows what other mask this woman wears. lol

          • Teflon Expat

            That is the face of radical feminism and why Hilton was so freaked out. Respectable corporate America was staring at what they called a ‘creature’ and the leader of the protest. They were really shocked and actually questioned what was going on in society and were sympathetic to AVfM and were happy someone was dealing with it.

    • Auntie Alias

      They’ve done it again.

      • Teflon Expat

        That just popped up. Its out on the net

        • Auntie Alias

          You’re not that dense.

          • Teflon Expat
          • Auntie Alias

            You did this once already and your post was deleted so you know damn well this is out of bounds.

          • Teflon Expat

            Ok I took it off. Now get busy and get that off their site

          • Auntie Alias

            Get busy and take it out of your comment on this site.

          • Teflon Expat

            Its gone, see below. no photo. refresh first

          • Auntie Alias

            Okay. Thank you.

          • Teflon Expat

            Now go get rat lady busy bitch slapping that page with the photo on it

  • Teflon Expat

    This guy needs to go back to Wayne State immediately! That might have calmed the situation in that Gender Analysis department or some such place.

    http://socialwork.wayne.edu/pdf/socialwork_diversity.pdf

  • thekuriousoranj

    Investigative reporter here checking in (unaffiliated with this site): someone below said that a Michigan FOIA to get any recorded threatening calls would take months. That’s highly unlikely. And getting just the police reporters would probably be a same-day, if not same-hour, endeavor. I used to work the blotter beat. I’ve come to this conversation very late so I don’t know how deeply records access has been discussed, but we’re definitely not talking months here. Try it and see. Anyone save convicted felons can make a request. They are required by law to respond in five days.

    • Teflon Expat

      Oh thank goodness. A burst of articles is set to go national that will outline how feminists called death threats into the hotel because they were angry at some group who mocked and belittled them.

      • thekuriousoranj

        What are the police-report numbers?

      • thekuriousoranj

        Well, national in widely read publications may or may not happen. Remains to be seen.

        • Teflon Expat

          True. It depends on the release date and other news thats in the cycle at that time. But the sensationalist aspect of all this would attract a lot of readers.

          “Radical Feminists Scare Hilton Hotels and run Mens Rights Activists Out of Town”

          Sounds close enough

          • thekuriousoranj

            MRAs and radfems are both seen as fringe–honestly, editors might not be interested enough for a “burst.”

          • Teflon Expat

            Yes, that is the worldview of both for sure. Neither has popular ideas. But its amusing how they bash each other.

          • thekuriousoranj

            Radfems are so outside of mainstream feminism and social discourse that, if there are actual recordings of calls and there’s no doubt that it’s activism from that side, you might get a bunch of “Come on, radfems, just go away now” rather than “look at feminist evil!” articles. Most feminists would probably be happy to wash their hands of such ideologues publicly, as harmless as they’ve been. Anyway, people should just file requests to find out themselves one way or another. Or to dispute who’s actually doing the calling in the first place–all of us also taking into consideration that none of us have the resources the police have, and that if they are, in fact, calling all of this unsubstantiated, that can’t be waved off.

          • Joy

            Stop labeling radical feminists the bad ones of the bunch. You do know that 3rd wavers share the SAME framework we do right? There’s only one small difference. How each thinks about the sex industry.

            Stop smearing radical feminists and calling us all transphobes. Enough already.

            Calling radical feminists the opposite side of the coin with MRA’s is not only uninformed, it’s downright ignorant.

            So if you take liberal feminism as something valid then by extension you must take radical feminism too.

            They both support the notion that we live in a patriarchy, that women’s reproduction is a key to liberation, and the placement of women’s bodies in popular culture is as well.

            Learn something.

          • Teflon Expat

            Sexually satisfying oppressors (who wink and run off) “is a key to liberation” and fighting patriarchy? alrighty. something learned.

    • thekuriousoranj

      Police report, not police reporters.

    • thekuriousoranj

      (Should add that sometimes you can’t get full reports unless you’re an involved party, don’t know about Michigan/Detroit, but you can get some form of basic confirmation, they should be public record–if they weren’t you’d never see blotters.)

  • Teflon Expat

    “There’s no reason for the public to believe feminists made those comments. Feminists aren’t the only ones who hold those views about MRAs.”
    –Auntie Alias

    True. However, as a ‘reasonable person’ reading news somewhere in America…that quote would get a chuckle, an eye raise and a “yeah uh huh just when a gaggle of feminists was about to swarm that hotel while brandishing their almighty petition, uh huh yep”

    Oh that PR just

    BURNS!!!

    • Auntie Alias

      Protests and petitions are a legitimate way to exercise free speech. MRAs think free speech only applies to them, apparently.

      • Teflon Expat

        MRAs have stated that free speech and protests are positive for everyone. But do keep on.

        Free speech by MRAs, infuriatingly for the feminists, also has caused them (by their own actions thrown back at them, ha) some very damaging PR. That is why they are all frantic trying to disprove the threats were sent by one of their own. GOOD LUCK!!

        Its WAY too late.

        • Auntie Alias

          Just look at all the replies to Steve’s post. That’s AVFM’s way of hindering free speech: bullying people who have opposing points of view.

          • Teflon Expat

            You must be responding to some other comment.

          • Auntie Alias

            “MRAs have stated that free speech and protests are positive for everyone. But do keep on.”

            So I did.

          • Teflon Expat

            That was in response to the right to protest. The protest happened. Good with that? ok. NEXT

            Free speech by MRAs, infuriatingly for the feminists, also has caused them (by their own actions thrown back at them, ha) some very damaging PR. That is why they are all frantic trying to disprove the threats were sent by one of their own. GOOD LUCK!!

            Its WAY too late.

          • Auntie Alias

            Like Steve said last night, we can’t disprove a negative.

            You can crow all you like about your theories but that’s all they are.

          • Teflon Expat

            Is that why all of a sudden all the spitting mad talk about uncovering the truth about the threats has stopped?

            Well, that does make sense. No point when the PR damage is done.

          • Auntie Alias

            You’re over-analyzing this. For now, I’m waiting to see what the next article reveals.

          • Teflon Expat

            Article? on here? No, this is an editorial followed by comments.

            This is not about ‘articles’ that don’t get past the MI state line. This is about ensuring that the feminist threats go national. That is what Elam had planned. Its in his hands now. One more protest and its done.

          • sarahgray

            How did Paul Elam plan the supposed feminist threats?
            Was he the one who made them?

            Is that why AVfM didn’t report to threats in the letter that was supposedly from Hilton?

            Very interesting…

          • Teflon Expat

            “This is about ensuring that the feminist threats go national. That is what Elam had planned.”

            READ! Must be the angry projectile spittle on your screen. my bad. Get a lawyer if you have assumptions you want proven. By the time you find what you hope to find the conference will be over and there will be articles describing how the feminists operate – with threats. so sorry

          • Auntie Alias

            Haha! It sure sounds damning to me.

          • Teflon Expat

            Two weeks too late bucko. Nothing a tub of Jerry’s couldn’t soothe over for that crack armchair investigator.

      • Mike Hunt

        HAHAHAHAHA!

        Seriously, how the hell do you manage to engage is so much projection and not be aware of it?

        I am not an MRA, but every MRA I have seen welcomes protest, so long as it is legal and non disruptive.

        In other words, tell the truth, and leave the fucking fire alarm alone.

        • Auntie Alias

          Oh come on; just look at the lead-up to the Detroit protest. AVFM scoured the internet to find something they could blow out of proportion. What they found was Emma talking about hiring actors for the protest and *boom* AVFM magically turned that innocuous statement into a violent threat and published her email address on the site so MRAs would harass and intimidate her. JudgyBitch was all over WHTM pleading with the community to contact Emma because poor, silly Emma might not realize how serious her *ahem* violent threats were. Who the hell knows what that was about.

          Then there’s Dean and JB working double time on Twitter libeling David Futrelle during all this and your Teflon pal making what might have been construed as a threat against the writer of the above article.

          Free speech proponents, my ass! It’s only free when it agrees with AVFM’s viewpoint.

          If you’re not an MRA, what are you doing on AVFM?

          • Teflon Expat

            Protests are welcome from feminists because they are highly beneficial. Mocking them is just added entertainment. Try to have some fun for once.

          • Auntie Alias

            What I described above wasn’t mockery. It’s harassment and intimidation.

          • Teflon Expat

            But it gets em more riled up for the protest. Lights a fire under their asses. All this is orchestrated from outside of their circle. So? Are they complaining?

          • Auntie Alias

            Did you even read what I wrote? Only one of three targets I mentioned had anything to do with the protest itself.

          • Teflon Expat

            Thats unfortunate. Cant predict who’s gonna show up. There is still time. Two weeks left so look on the bright side.

          • Auntie Alias

            Interesting that you ignored what I said about you.

          • Teflon Expat

            Consistency is a virtue

          • Mike Hunt

            The more David Futrelle talks, the better.

            You as well.

          • Auntie Alias

            Distorting it into something that wasn’t said and labeling that person a child abuser is.

          • Mike Hunt

            I see. Of course what feminists have done to warren Farrell is just fine though, right?

          • Auntie Alias

            Quoting him on date rape/fraud and incest is just that: quoting. Meanwhile, Dean and JB can’t even locate the source of their claims.

          • Mike Hunt

            Uh huh.

            Anyway, it’s perfectly obvious that you *are* David Fatrelle.

      • driversuz

        How about blocking doors, pulling fire alarms, wielding boxcutters, spitting on people and assaulting cops? Are those legitimate? How about Stealing posters from teenagers and assaulting them? Or assaulting their opponents while accusing them of assault?

        • Auntie Alias

          If you ever post something that’s not full of lies or insults, I’ll keel over in shock.

          • Teflon Expat

            Thats insulting? to whom? hyper sensitive boobs?

          • Auntie Alias

            I wasn’t talking about that particular comment of hers.

          • driversuz

            Yes wee all know facts hurt your feelz.

          • Auntie Alias

            There were no boxcutter-wielding feminists so I shall assume the rest of your accusations are just as false.

          • Teflon Expat

            box cutting attacks are more of a Canada thing

          • Auntie Alias

            Making up box-cutter attacks is more of a John Hembling thing.

          • driversuz

            Of course you were there. Video doesn’t lie.

  • Teflon Expat

    “Reasonable people understand that feminism isn’t a monolithic institution where the actions of one or two reflect on all.”

    Looking for the source now. But is that an acceptable statement? Could it also apply to words written online in addition to actual ‘actions?’ Could it also apply to anti-feminists or MRAs or ….

    Got it! It was Aunti who wrote that!

    • Auntie Alias

      Way to take it out of context.

      • Teflon Expat
        • Auntie Alias

          Um, yes.

          Reasonable people understand that feminism isn’t a monolithic institution where the actions of one or two reflect on all. Unlike the MRM, feminists don’t gather on a hateful website to encourage doxxing, harassment, threats, and violence. Therefore, no credible link can be made between individual feminists and feminism as a whole.

          • Teflon Expat

            “Individual MRM meet individual feminist”
            “Oh, hi well how do you do?”
            “Fine, nice day…lets have lunch”

          • Auntie Alias

            o_O

          • Teflon Expat

            Exactly. Feminism and MRM are interchangeable. Finding ways to deny that is pure spin. Spin away!

          • Auntie Alias

            Feminists aren’t a hate group.

          • Teflon Expat

            Whats a hate group? Some opinion assigned to some other people?

          • Auntie Alias

            It’s a label and an opinion.

          • Teflon Expat

            There ya go. Exactly. Its all opinion. ALL OF IT

          • Auntie Alias

            Well, yeah. I’m not the almighty authority on hate groups. No one is.

          • Teflon Expat

            Its whatever you want that definition to be. Whatever suites your agenda. Therefore, its meaningless

          • Auntie Alias

            That’s fine. It’s just an opinion.

          • vvv

            “Feminists aren’t a hate group.”

            Yes they are.

          • Teflon Expat

            It should be a badge of honor. Why they even care how they are labeled must be a matter of vanity.

          • driversuz

            Yes they do, they also do it in person, and they usually vote for politicians who promote feminist policy. What a crock.

  • eastsideboy

    Opposition to this conference seems rooted in the Southern Poverty Law
    Center’s characterization of the sponsors as a “hate group.” The agenda,
    covering a range of men’s issues, looks like a forum to discuss a list
    of male grievances not unlike those of an early women’s movement.

    So why does the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) paint them with the “hate” label?

    A little research shows that the SPLC has come under fire from various
    critics including the left. Over five years ago Alexander Cockburn
    referred to the SPLC’s leader, Morris Dees, as “the arch-salesman of
    hate-mongering” who was making over $270,000 a year from the non-profit.
    Cockburn, who, until his recent death, ran the leftist Conterpunch
    website, claimed that “Dees and his hate-seekers scour the landscape for
    hate like the arms manufacturers inventing new threats and for the same
    reason: it’s their staple.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/05/15/king-of-the-hate-business/

    Another critic, Michael Petrelis, from a San Francisco gay and AIDS
    human rights blog, raised similar issues focusing on the SPLC’s supposed
    focus on “poverty” while the group had $190 million in assets and a
    bank account in the Cayman Islands. “The latest 990 [non-profit income
    tax return] additionally shows founder and chief trial counsel Morris
    Dees had his salary raised to $350,000, and his CEO, Richard Cohen, is
    close behind at $345,000. The tax filing also shows Dees traveled by air
    charter, and that his spouse, artist and businesswoman Susan Starr,
    accompanies her husband on the business” trips.” http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2010/11/southern-poverty-law-centers-cayman.html

    This same blog also quoted from a Harper’s Magazine article written by
    writer Ken Silverstein in 2000, subtitled “How the Southern Poverty Law
    Center profits from intolerance”:

    “What the center’s other work
    for justice does not include is anything that might be considered
    controversial by donors. According to [anti-death penalty lawyer]
    Millard Farmer, the center largely stopped taking death-penalty cases
    for fear that too visible an opposition to capital punishment would
    scare off potential contributors. In 1986, the center’s entire legal
    staff quit in protest of Dees’s refusal to address issues – such as
    homelessness, voter registration, and affirmative action – that they
    considered far more pertinent to poor minorities […]

    “In the
    early 1960s, Morris Dees sat on the sidelines honing his
    direct-marketing skills and practicing law while the civil rights
    movement engulfed the South. “Morris and I … shared the overriding
    purpose of making a pile of money,” recalls Dees’s business partner, a
    lawyer named Millard Fuller (not to be confused with Millard Farmer).
    “We were not particular about how we did it; we just wanted to be
    independently rich.” […]”

    I’d suggest that those opposing
    this conference take a second look at the SPLC’s labeling this
    conference as a “hate group.” We need more, not less discussion about
    gender roles — male as well as female.

    • Auntie Alias

      Of course. Try to smear the opposition.

      Newsflash: We don’t need the SPLC to spoonfeed us information to decide what is and isn’t hateful. All that’s required is to read random articles on AVFM and look at the comments. The burning hatred of women is in plain view.

      • driversuz

        No you just use SPLC’s lies to “substantiate” you own lies. Nice try.

        • Teflon Expat

          http://womenformen.org/2014/06/13/mens-conference-update-feminist-protestors-got-what-they-wanted/

          “the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) doesn’t list A Voice for Men as a hate group”

          • driversuz

            They came close enough that they had to later publish a clarification stating that AVfM is NOT a hate group.

          • Auntie Alias

            More like after all the whining and distortions from AVFM he felt compelled to point out that he’d never said they were a hate group. In case you aren’t aware, misogyny is hate.

          • Auntie Alias

            It lists it as a misogyny site.

        • Auntie Alias

          Citation needed.

          • driversuz

            pfft!

          • Teflon Expat

            Strength needed

      • Teflon Expat
      • eastsideboy

        Your group relied on the SPLC’s characterization as a basis for the “hate group” label. I presented you with new information. You’re obviously suffering from cognitive dissonance: when confronted with challenging new information,
        most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by
        rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by
        convincing themselves that no conflict really exists.

        • Auntie Alias

          I call it hate group because I’ve read enough of AVFM to reach that conclusion on my own. To be more accurate, it’s a hate site since most of its activities are online.

          AVFM reeks of misogyny; misogyny is hate; thus, it’s a hate site.

  • vvv

    Steve Neavling is an excellent journalist I must say. First he posts this incredibly well-informed article, with no bias whatsoever, and then jumps in the conversation defending feminists and threatens to ban anyone who criticizes feminism.

    Totally what a journalist would do. Duh! Journalists are known to jump in the conversation and start threatening everyone who opposes the side that he belongs to. This is precisely what a journalist does!

    • Teflon Expat

      He might have been fair and balanced if the building he works out of had security

  • Teflon Expat

    The conference organizers had to know that the constant barrage of online feminist vitriol directed at them over the years would follow them offline. Thus the conference. But where they too successful?

  • Teflon Expat

    What do Americans believe regarding where the threats to the conference originated? Is that important? Does it matter?

  • Teflon Expat

    “the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) doesn’t list A Voice for Men as a hate group”

    http://womenformen.org/2014/06/13/mens-conference-update-feminist-protestors-got-what-they-wanted/

  • Justice4All

    Could this article possibly be any more biased and one-sided? Where’s the investigative reporting about the female school teacher in Detroit who was advocating violence in order to shut this conference down? I guess that somehow doesn’t represent being newsworthy to a stellar “journalist” like Mr. Neavling. Another media mouthpiece for rad-fems.

  • muckraker_steve

    If MRAs are about more than bashing feminists, it’s certainly not clear by reading these comments. I see a level of immaturity that has been unmatched since I left middle school. No real issues are discussed. It’s clear that the MRAs are more interested in taunting people than talking about substantive issues. Can we try to stick to actual issues? This site is no longer going to be used for repetitive attacks. Learn to debate or go somewhere else.

    • Teflon Expat

      This is true. The years of online counter points aimed at highly questionable feminist precepts was always perceived as bashing and a fireball of rage ensued. Occasionally, feminists do manage to release the pressure via a scapegoat as witnessed last Saturday in Detroit.

    • driversuz

      Addressing “issues” is perceived by feminists as bashing. Why do you think they shot Erin Pizzey’s dog?

      • Teflon Expat

        Bashing = Misogyny.

        • driversuz

          Addressing issues = misogyny, according to feminists. Logic too.

          • Teflon Expat

            Organizing to address issues at a mainstream global facility is an affront and highly offensive and the world must take notice.

          • vvv

            Logic = SUPER misogyny.

      • Auntie Alias

        This is exactly what’s he’s talking about. Pizzey herself said she didn’t know whether it was feminists who were responsible.

        Likewise, no one knows where the threats to the conference originated. It could have been from feminists, MRAs, or some random looney tune looking for attention.

        • Teflon Expat

          Most importantly, what do Americans believe regarding where the threats to the conference originated?

          • Auntie Alias

            None of us knows that.

          • Teflon Expat

            Does it matter at all?

          • Auntie Alias

            LOL You brought it up.

          • Teflon Expat

            You’re not required to answer. But again, does it matter if the American public believes it was feminists who made threats against the Doubletree Hotel, sort of like this

            “Doubletree, do yourself a favor and cancel the Men’s Rights Conference. If not, we will shut it down for you, with all the attendant negative publicity you will receive for sponsoring a conference for men who advocate beating, raping and murdering women”

            “MRA’s (men’s rights activists) are a dangerous hate group that needs to be destroyed”

          • Auntie Alias

            Just so it’s clear to anyone reading, I googled those quotes and they’re allegedly comments made on the Change.org petition.

            There’s no reason for the public to believe feminists made those comments. Feminists aren’t the only ones who hold those views about MRAs.

            For the sake of argument, let’s say the identities of those two commenters became known and it revealed them to have feminist leanings. Reasonable people understand that feminism isn’t a monolithic institution where the actions of one or two reflect on all.

            Unlike the MRM, feminists don’t gather on a hateful website to encourage doxxing, harassment, threats, and violence. Therefore, no credible link can be made between individual feminists and feminism as a whole.

            Edit: That wasn’t meant to be a link to the quotes. Disqus just formatted the term as a link.

          • Teflon Expat

            “Reasonable people understand that feminism isn’t a monolithic institution where the actions of one or two reflect on all.”

            see above

          • Mike Hunt

            “Unlike the MRM, feminists don’t gather on a hateful website to encourage
            doxxing, harassment, threats, and violence. Therefore, no credible link
            can be made between individual feminists and feminism as a whole.”

            Are you actually that stupid?

          • Auntie Alias

            Are you actually that deluded?

          • Mike Hunt

            There’s that projection thing again. Seriously, see a professional.

        • Attila_L_Vinczer

          I will no longer engage in any interaction with you, as you hide in anonymity. You want people to take you seriously, take off your mask.

          There is no way to hold you accountable, save taking you to court and getting a court order to reveal your identity.

          There are a number of people who collect your rhetoric, many of which are slanderous and libellous thus making it actionable in court.

          • Auntie Alias

            This is exactly why I stay anonymous.

          • driversuz

            Nonsense.

          • Auntie Alias

            Are you calling Attila a liar? I’ve had numerous AVFM MRAs tell me they archive what I say. He isn’t the first person to mention it.

          • driversuz

            I’m calling you a liar
            “Plus the fact that AVFM uses personal information to harass and threaten people.”

          • Auntie Alias
          • Teflon Expat

            What do Americans believe regarding where the threats to the conference originated? Is that important? Does it matter?

          • Auntie Alias

            Your record is skipping.

          • Teflon Expat

            Your fear is palpable

          • Auntie Alias

            Yours certainly is.

          • Teflon Expat

            whaaa! my box is out of sand. whaaa!

          • driversuz

            AVfM doesn’t harass or threaten people. It exposes some of them for the scuzzbags they are. Your silly pretense that reporting malfeasance equates to persecution, is paper thin and just plain silly. Now reach for your smelling salts and go totter on over to your fainting couch before you collapse in an outraged fit of the vapours. Press a damp hankie to your wrists; that should help.

          • Teflon Expat

            The exposing of entire groups and their contrived ‘philosophies’ causes intense anger, especially if they invested years of building up an image. Since they are already dishonest, its easier for them to spin the exposure and attack the accuser. Any opportunity to take it offline leads them to…places like Detroit.

          • Auntie Alias

            Good description of AVFM: contrived philosophies, intense anger, image being threatened, dishonest, spinning media exposure, and attacking feminists and anyone else who questions them.

          • Teflon Expat

            …and the problem with that is?

            The problem is when it gets to the level of HARASSING a private business doing its business

          • Auntie Alias

            Like Occidental College?

          • Auntie Alias

            Trust you to deny the blazingly obvious. I hope you realize that you convince no one outside your cult.

          • driversuz

            Anyone who believes that their PUBLIC behavior and words are exempt from either scrutiny or criticism, and who believe that their readily available and published contact information is somehow supposed to be hidden from their critics, is delusional, ignorant and/or extremely immature.

            Your pearl-clutching protestations are feeding their delusions/ignorance/immaturity. One might think you WANT them to believe helpless infants who have no agency or control over their lives. Not surprising, as this is a core strategy of feminists.

            Good day to you.

          • Auntie Alias

            La dee dah. Let me spell this out for you. When you dig for someone’s personal information and publish it on AVFM, that’s called doxxing. The only purpose is to invite readers to send angry emails to the AVFM Evil Woman of the Day. That’s called harassment and intimidation.

          • vvv

            Does your entire life revolve around attacking MRAs? Get a life Auntie. Better yet, get professional help.

          • Mike Hunt

            And Steve-O here expects us to “debate” with fools like this?

            What is he smoking?

          • Auntie Alias

            You’re doing a wonderful job of proving his point. All of you are.

          • Mike Hunt

            He didn’t have a point. He’s as much of a brain dead fool as you are.

        • driversuz

          Nice attempt to redirect. You should change your name to “Tangent.”

          • Auntie Alias

            How is staying on topic AS REQUESTED redirecting?

    • Attila_L_Vinczer

      I agree with you, that there is a lot of vexatious nonsense being propagated here. So why don’t we start with you. What exactly is your issue, not with the individual MRA, but with the MRM? Please be specific Steve Neavling. Your article seems unsympathetic to the MRM.

    • Justice4All

      “Can we try to stick to actual issues?” I trust that is a rhetorical question as one we need to be a clairvoyant to discover an actual issue in your article, unless you count moving a conference event to the suburbs as a big MRA issue. Clearly you have not done your homework and visited sites like A Voice for Male Students, the National Coalition For Men Carolinas, Stop Abusive and Violent Environments, etc… all which post articles related to men’s issues. These sites aren’t about bashing anyone, they are about advocating for equality, the fair treatment of men, human rights, civil liberties including due process rights and freedom of speech. They too are considered Men’s Rights Advocates. If you’re a hot-shot investigative reporter, dig around those sites and see if you can find any of the so called “woman-hater” commentary in the articles published on their websites. You won’t because it doesn’t exist.

    • vvv

      “more than bashing feminists” = IS about bashing feminism, not IS NOT about bashing feminism.

      Your reasoning skills are abysmal. And who said there is anything wrong with bashing feminism? We are talking about feminists, not women. Big difference.

    • Attila_L_Vinczer

      Steve, I take it you do not wish to have a meaningful debate/discussion with me abut substantive MRA issues.

    • You strike me as totally clueless. First, there is nothing wrong with dissent, even harsh dissent, from feminism. If I wanted to make my life’s work bashing feminism (which I don’t) it would be no less legit than doing the same with capitalism, socialism or any other ideology that has an impact on the daily lives of human beings.

      Feminism is subject to scrutiny and skepticism like everything else. Please take your own advice and grow up and get over it.

      Second, did you think that the comment section on your blog hit piece would be the place where men’s issues would be explored and vetted? Seriously?

      For what it is worth, and likely for you to ignore, here are some basic facts.

      http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/about/

      Delete this post if you want. I really don’t give a damn. You don’t serve yourself at all by acting like an irate librarian, instructing people what to say and how to say it in the same breath in which you are droning on about “debate.”

      If real debate is what you want. Consider this a public challenge to a structured, live debate on our Google Hangout Programs.

      You will be given equal, uninterrupted time to make your case, whatever that actually is, and you will be treated, as you are here, with the respect that you give.

      I am open to your suggestions for a topic.

      But please, skip the officiousness.

      • vvv

        “there is nothing wrong with dissent, even harsh dissent, from feminism. If I wanted to make my life’s work bashing feminism (which I don’t) it would be no less legit than doing the same with capitalism, socialism or any other ideology that has an impact on the daily lives of human beings”

        This! Well said Paul.

    • Mike Hunt

      Debate? With who?

      Auntie Alias? saragrey?

      Are you for real, dude?

  • Dust Buster

    why cant these angry lesbians and emasculated soft hippy men just focus that anger or energy on something else? seriously go have an olmpic games event or concert in the woods. maybe figure out why so many of you are such angry and insecure bitches…. man life is short go get some brewskis and rent “league of their own” and stfu for a while. seriously the kkk or some neo nazi group could have a meeting and even they wouldnt get harassed so much

    • muckraker_steve

      Come on, Dust Buster. You know and have respected the rules here. Say what you want, but please refrain from personal attacks.

      • Dust Buster

        i am sorry, ill try and check it but this is so ridiculous. neo nazis or skinhead or even the klan could have a conference in downtown detroit and even they would be allowed to have it. there wouldnt be 600 posts and they wouldnt have this much hate slung on them.

        what has it come to when a bunch of people want to have a meeting about their rights or how they are treated in divorce court etc? so many alphabet groups demand, cry, whine and silence what they dont want to hear. these people that want to run these guys out need to focus on the 1000 other bad things happening in this country and this world.

        strange but usual that the groups demanding the most rights and tolerance seem to always be the ones with the loudest demands when its another group they dont agree with

        • muckraker_steve

          Thanks, Dust Buster. I appreciate it.

    • Teflon Expat

      The feminist lobby does not feel its losing ground against any other group.

  • Emilio Lizardo

    SPLC at one time served a useful purpose but has devolved into an organization solely interested in cash flow. Not to mention infested with gender Marxists (Feminists).

    • Teflon Expat

      Have a look at ‘gender studies’ publications. Nearly all use references to support their ‘findings’ from other gender studies publications. Some of that detritus gets into the hands of policy makers. Its a big industry with cash flow. Anger fueled ideology and money. Then a small group of MRAs come along….

  • Teflon Expat

    T-14 days for the feminists to uncover and punish who among them made threats to the hotel. Will they make it? Where will they look next? Stay tuned as these fascinating and almost newsworthy events unfold.

  • derpa derp

    men’s rights = small penis

    • Emilio Lizardo

      small penis = clit

      • Teflon Expat

        That is a man’s right?

  • Guest

    The most important news to come out of this Men’s Rights Conference, something everyone appears to have missed, is that it has been fully approved for Mental Health Continuing Education Units for participants from Michigan and many other states with the credentials of Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Licensed Educational Psychologist (LEP) and Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) are qualified.

    This means AVfM Conference has been formally recognized as an education provider, and the feminist pushback to-date has done “zero” to alter this milestone.

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/allbulletins/avfm-conference-approved-for-mental-health-continuing-education-units/

  • Guest

    I hear Stevo is soliciting info from Manboobz. Excellent forensic journalism source, Steve. Lol

  • Auntie Alias

    If the VFW backs out, is there a Plan C? (or is it D now?)

    • Guest

      Depends how many more conference attendees you keep sending AVfM’s way, Auntie. They will keep outgrowing vinues the more you drum up business.

      • Teflon Expat

        The kick. self. ass. meter is off the charts!

    • driversuz

      Duuuuh.

      • Auntie Alias

        Well? It’s within the realm of possibility that the VFW were blissfully unaware of what the MRM stands for. I’m sure they’ll be getting an earful in the upcoming days and won’t appreciate hearing what Bloomfield said or that they’re hosting a group widely perceived as a hate movement. Or that Mike Buchanan was waxing on about how a veteran’s cemetery could be used a backdrop for a photo op.

        • Teflon Expat

          They know what the nation knows. Veterans, most especially, don’t take kindly to threats either.

          • Auntie Alias

            Which is a mixed bag.

        • driversuz

          Keep talking. Please keep talking.

          • Teflon Expat

            oooh, this is going to be so much fun!

  • Teflon Expat

    You will NEVER know who called in the threats. NEVER! Deal with it. End. of. story.

    • Roger The Alien

      I think it’s pretty clear who did it. An emotional, fragile group who pretends to be strong yet never claims responsibility for their negative actions…

      • Teflon Expat

        Hmm, wonder who that could be.
        But why the obsession to know? Its not as if it caused that much inconvenience. A little but not like out of control

        • sarahgray

          AVfM?
          apt description, anyhow.

      • Auntie Alias

        That describes A Voice For Men to a T. Also: professional victims.

        • Roger The Alien

          There is no greater group of victim hood than feminists. They’ve hijacked any and every moment of importance to make sure no one forgets middle class white women of the west have it worse than anyone else.

          • Auntie Alias

            Yeah, no.

            AVFM, on the other hand, has the gall to compare false rape accusations to lynchings and conscription to slavery.

          • Mike Hunt

            The nerve, she says! The nerve! They have the nerve to say something I don’t approve of! The nerve!

          • Auntie Alias

            I’m not a fan of racism.

          • Roger The Alien

            Sure you are. When it benefits your group.

          • Auntie Alias

            Keep making shit up. It makes your group look worse if that’s even possible since it’s scraping bottom now.

          • Mike Hunt

            Your desperation is funny. Your projection is funnier.

          • Mike Hunt

            Off topic, but it’s nice to know you aren’t awful in *every* way. 🙂

          • Auntie Alias

            Ditto. (The Jack Outis debacle)

          • Roger The Alien

            You infiltrated the black rights movement.

            You infiltrated the LGBT movement.

            Most recently, you infiltrated the Atheist movement, dividing into two factions, Atheists and “Atheists Plus”.

            While real Atheists do work to fight against those who wish to infringe on our rights or legally murder us in the name of their beliefs; Atheist plus pretends to be to be an atheist group that focuses on social justice, but actually spends its time spreading false claims of rape against fellow atheists while censoring our speech against violent religious groups.

            You poison everything you touch with your self-entitlement, but you are so deluded that you can’t see it. You blame white, straight males, but you are the biggest problem of all. Because you are the most entitled; you, the white, middle class, woman.

            This is why you have to make up things like the patriarchy and rape culture. Because you are so entitled, you have nothing else to fall back on than fictional entities.

          • Auntie Alias

            Wow, I’ve been really busy!!!! I’d forgotten about those civil rights marches I attended while I was still playing with Barbie dolls.

          • Emilio Lizardo

            Conscription is slavery. Notably while feminists called for women to be in combat they didn’t call for women to be conscripted. Options. It’s all about options for women, not responsibility.

        • Emilio Lizardo

          Except that for women being a victim is a badge of success, for men it’s proof of failure. Can’t argue with talent.

    • sarahgray

      I guess, then, neither will you.

      So pinning it on a person or a group would be wrong.

      • Teflon Expat

        Has it caused any problems FOR YOU? If not, then why all the investigation?

        • Auntie Alias

          Nervous?

          • Mike Hunt

            Terrified.

        • Teflon Expat

          She won’t answer. She can’t answer. Foot already in mouth. Two more weeks of mocking and taunting a feminist is sad. Its such a precious short period of time.

    • Incubus

      We will never know for sure, in the same way we will never know for sure that life isn’t all a dream. Every piece of evidence which exists in this matter indicates it was the feminists. We DO know who did it. Feminists are just screaming “You can’t prove it! You can’t prove it!” now.

      • Teflon Expat

        The mystery is – why do they even care? None of this did them any harm or cost them any money. What is so wrong about an honest explanation? Maybe someone will give them what they want if they explain why they want it.

    • Auntie Alias

      Interesting. It sounds like you know who did.

      • driversuz

        Oh look. More innuendo from AA.
        Who’s surprised?

  • Guest

    Feminism and The Media (written in the year 1913):

    “When, however, the bluff is exposed… then the apostles of feminism, male and female, being unable to make even a plausible case out in reply, with one consent resort to the boycott, and by ignoring what they cannot answer, seek to stop the spread of the unpleasant truth so dangerous to their cause. The pressure put upon publishers and editors by the influential Feminist sisterhood is well known.”

    http://ernestbelfortbax.com/2014/01/27/bax-on-feminism-and-the-media/

    • Teflon Expat

      Its payback time!

      “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

      Salon

      • Auntie Alias

        Um, you do realize that article was mocking AVFM, right?

      • thekuriousoranj

        That article is not a positive one toward the conference.

  • Teflon Expat

    In conclusion, the feminists have to know who made the threats and prove it wasn’t one of their own. Then they can go out to the streets, scream from the rooftops and clear their name. This is paramount if they are to gain back some credibility. Please help them won’t you?

    • muckraker_steve

      You want them to prove a negative? *facepalm*

      • Teflon Expat

        Eh, ya never know with them.

      • Incubus

        When presented with evidence that something is true, the onus is on those refuting the claim to establish that it isn’t, yes.

  • Ty Butler

    uhh your group threatened and used extreme profanity against a friend who simply informed you that if said group still intends to host such an event in Michigan(as a whole) it WILL be met with a peaceful completely legal(we’ve already spoken to the local police 🙂 MASS protest. we have screen shots. your group is full of men who hate women, and deem it appropriate to call any and all women who disagree with them a whole host of slurs..things you wouldnt say in front of your hopefully ashamed mother(for the use of language..not even your beliefs but probs that too). your group is legitimate? totally…

    • Teflon Expat

      …and your point is?

      • Ty Butler

        i’ll take that as an acknowledgment that you and your group do in fact hate women, seems the groups minders are saying something awfully different. jeez, you guys need to get it together.

        • Teflon Expat

          Feel better now? Who knew that venting was such good therapy for these people

          • Ty Butler

            hehe, you’re funny

          • Teflon Expat

            Since you’re on a tear, come on out and protest. There are just two weekends left. If you hurry, there is a wide variety of Sharpie kits on line via Amazon.

          • Ty Butler

            oohh noo, see us girls and boys in detroit are all about rock’n’roll didnt ya know?. we’re going to put on a show and look good while doing it. we know how to play the game, we also know how to work the media..something you guys are still trying to figure out. the attempts are amusing, but by all means..continue. just an excuse to have a party yooo

          • Teflon Expat

            Yes, the excuse to party is very obvious. So far your media attempts haven’t got past the MI border.

          • Ty Butler

            yeahhh, a dude killing a bunch of people really brings the good kind of publicity..right? we could have that but damn, none of use really feel like killing a bunch of people.

          • Teflon Expat

            What dude?

          • Ty Butler

            gotta go, have date. have fun with your hand 🙂

          • Teflon Expat

            Ah, another ad hominem honey. So feminist. Do giver her a kiss for us

          • Incubus

            Forfeit recorded at 9:51 and 0 seconds, Eastern Standard Time.

          • Teflon Expat

            Yeah, so sad. So MI has trailer parks and fatherless households?

          • Ty Butler

            so good! im using that in my act! thanks.

          • Teflon Expat

            Do they actually clean those poles between acts?

          • Ty Butler

            haha! aww thats sad. you really are funny :/

          • Teflon Expat

            Go get those tips. Meth prices are up

          • Ty Butler

            yes please, i need those tips!

          • Teflon Expat

            Come out and protest. We’ll throw a few bucks

          • Ty Butler

            ill be there! ill be the girl in the lumpy space princess swim suit with the big tits. cum find me.

          • Teflon Expat

            Depends on the weather. Big tits do hold more cash I hear

          • Ty Butler

            yups, bunch of cash and a whole lot of mace.

          • Teflon Expat

            oh dang, I read that as mice. my bad

          • Ty Butler

            i forgive you, have a good night dooder!

          • Roger The Alien

            You better not let him pay for anything.

            It’s the patriarchy.

          • driversuz

            ” we also know how to work the media..something you guys are still trying to figure out. the attempts are amusing…”
            And yet here you are.

    • Misogyny Police

      ..

      • Teflon Expat

        It is becoming more apparent that AVfM provides a great therapy service via the enabling of otherwise hard to treat depressed women.

    • Incubus

      If you change “full of men who hate women” to “full of women who hate men,” everything you wrote will be a factual argument against the feminists. The level of projection in your movement is astounding.

    • driversuz

      Hoo boy. Here we go again. I hope whoever made the threats used a throw-away phone and/or an untraceable email. Otherwise you naive kids are going to be terribly embarrassed when you learn who is in your ranks.

    • Roger The Alien

      A friend? Does this friend of yours happen to know the people (terrorists) who called in the death threats to kind, working class people who work at the Hilton hotel?

      Those are the only threats that I have heard of here.

      • sarahgray

        Do you have recordings of said supposed calls?
        I’m sure we would all like to hear them.

        • Incubus

          I think it’s clear at this point that you would continue to deny anything you were shown. That’s all you’ve done so far.

          • Teflon Expat

            Luckily, she is not an official in this matter and has no claim to any information without a FOIA request and that takes months.

            The conference ends in two weeks so she is shit. out. of. luck.

          • muckraker_steve

            If you had records that indicate legitimate threats, you would have released them by now. Police were not able to substantiate the threats. This is a lie you are perpetuating.

          • Teflon Expat

            Why? this has no impact on anything. Just to satisfy some prickly feminists? All the more reason to move on

          • driversuz

            No it’s not. Hilton never gave the threats to AVfM, but after days of public pressure, Hilton finally filed reports with the police. The content of the reports can only be made public if Hilton gives permission, but the police have confirmed that the reports were finally made.
            Where the hell do you get your information?

          • Teflon Expat

            From feminists. hahahahaha

          • muckraker_steve

            Again, those threats could have come from anyone, including AVfM to make their opponents look bad. That’s an old tactic.

          • Teflon Expat

            Did it work? Do they look bad? Did it discredit their entire protest? Are they upset? Are they trying to clear their name?

          • Roger The Alien

            lol sure. After your completely unbiased article were going to believe you.

          • driversuz

            Oh, I get it. AVfM made the “fake” threats (risking criminal prosecution and civil liability) which were used to exponentially raise the price for AVfM to do business with the Hilton?

            Sounds totally legit.

          • Teflon Expat

            That means they think AVfM is smarter than they are…which is true, but not for this matter

          • muckraker_steve

            I’m only repeating what police told me.

          • driversuz

            Really?

            “Again, those threats could have come from anyone, including AVfM to make their opponents look bad. That’s an old tactic.”

            No editorial license? No innuendo? No bias?

          • muckraker_steve

            It’s just a fact. It’s an old tactic. I’m not saying the threats didn’t come from protesters. I’m just saying there is no proof of the origin of the threat.

          • Teflon Expat

            So why does the wider press assume it was feminists. Sells papers?

          • driversuz

            That’s pretty lame. As a journalist, you might be expected to explore the costs/risks/benefits behind any motives held by possible “suspects.” If you did that you’d know that the risks to AVfM for pulling such a stunt, are far too high to even consider. Yet you specifically mentioned AVfM as possibly the responsible party.
            I think that speaks volumes about your journalistic standards.

          • Roger The Alien

            I’m calling bullshit.

            You’re a shit journalist.

          • Teflon Expat

            No, he is just scared of the feminists like most people are

          • driversuz

            Bingo!

          • Roger The Alien

            Real journalists show no fear.

          • muckraker_steve

            That’s fine.

          • Auntie Alias

            This is why MRAs are sometimes referred to as the abusers’ lobby.

          • Teflon Expat

            show up at a protest and find out dip shit

          • Auntie Alias

            Sorry, but I’m not in the U.S. or close to Detroit or I’d love to.

          • Teflon Expat

            No you wouldn’t chicken

          • Auntie Alias

            I’d love to engage in a shouting match with MRAs at a protest!

          • Roger The Alien

            Like a certain redheaded caricature of mock Disney villain?

          • Teflon Expat

            It was a one way shout. Glands. ya know

          • Auntie Alias

            Exactly!

          • Teflon Expat

            They will not even acknowledge you. Just like shaking poo off their shoe

          • Roger The Alien

            Hold on to your shorts, deary.

            A quick scroll up will show that he’s been withholding valid information from his readers while ducking the group in question.

            A real journalist would have been on the phone with EVERYONE involved.

          • Guest

            Conspiracy nut, hey? Play to those readers, Stevo. 🙂

          • Teflon Expat

            But didn’t it make the feminists look bad? That is the rub. That is why these loose canons are so obsessed. They need to fix it and they are not certain if one of them just got angry and drunk and called in the threats.

          • sarahgray

            Not really.

          • Teflon Expat

            Ok, she wasn’t drunk.

          • Auntie Alias

            That’s been my suspicion from the very start. I thought it was because the number of people who signed up to attend was too low, which could cause their plans to collapse. Fabricating bogus threats would allow them to blame feminists and save face.

          • Teflon Expat

            Yes yes. you are such a raving mensa.

          • Roger The Alien

            That’s because you are a loon.

          • Teflon Expat

            But it makes great copy

          • Auntie Alias

            You’re flirting with the banhammer, methinks.

          • Roger The Alien

            Shouldn’t you be at Raw Story reading leftist conspiracy theories?

          • Auntie Alias

            Weak. Very weak.

          • Roger The Alien

            Doesn’t make it any less true. You offered them as a valid source, making anything you type suspect. You might as well have pointed me towards an infowar article.

          • driversuz

            Do you spend your vacations searching for Bigfoot?

          • Mike Hunt

            I like that this goof who claims to be a journalist doesn’t even try to his his bias.

          • Incubus

            It’s a tactic which there is no indication the MRM has ever employed. By contrast, the feminist movement does have a history of conducting illegal activity in protests of peaceful conferences. Additionally, evidence has been supplied that the feminists did this. The only response from the opposing parties has been to try to cast down on the evidence, most of which has consisted of quite flimsy arguments and denials. No evidence has been offered which refutes our evidence. This really isn’t something that there’s much doubt over.

          • Teflon Expat

            The real mystery is – why do the feminists care if as they claim it caused them no problems?

          • sarahgray

            the letter was posted on the 30th. The police were denying threats were reported until supposedly today or yesterday.

            Steve, did they say they were investigating actual threats reported to them by the hotel?

          • Teflon Expat

            You go girl. Get on it.

          • muckraker_steve

            They would only say that threats were reported but none could be substantiated as credible. They also have no idea who made the threats.

          • Teflon Expat

            It shall remain a mystery. But do keep on

          • Teflon Expat

            Get the whip out

            Waah–chhh..Waah–chhh!

          • Teflon Expat

            Hurry. Got to clear the name of feminism. Get off the terrorist list.

          • Teflon Expat

            Force Hilton to help you with YOUR issue. Go ahead. Then report back. Or GET A LAWYER or convince the DA to help you. Those are your ONLY choices. Beats sitting there fuming all night, no?

          • Teflon Expat

            This is what your group gets

            “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

          • thekuriousoranj

            I posted this above as well: a FOIA request on this is highly unlikely to take months. I’m an investigative journalist and deal with records requests daily. Anyone can put in such a request; people in these comments should go ahead and try it themselves.

          • Teflon Expat

            They are so fuming mad over this threat thing. Its non stop.

        • Roger The Alien

          The police have them documented.

          Don’t worry.

          • muckraker_steve

            I talked to police today. None of those threats are substantiated. None.

          • Teflon Expat

            So what are you going to do about it?
            Taps foot….

          • Roger The Alien

            Define substantiated. And why would they give that information to you?

          • Teflon Expat

            Why is anyone so obsessed over this trite nonsense?

          • muckraker_steve

            Obsessed? You’ve commented on here more than anyone.

          • Teflon Expat

            Not about some silly letter and police reports. So BORING

          • muckraker_steve

            Because I work for the media and police always give us that information. The point is this: Anyone could have called in those “threats.” It could have been MRA, could have been opponents. Fact is, you don’t know which is the case.

          • Teflon Expat

            So the feminists were slow. They could have said the MRA did it. Oh well, They lose hahahahaha

          • sarahgray

            other people called and were told they were investigating death threats reported by the hotel.

          • Teflon Expat

            Two weeks on…informations getting more fuzzy. Better hurry! Giddy up. Move!!

          • driversuz

            That none of the threats were substantiated would come as no surprise, especially since Hilton was so secretive with the specifics. Those “unsubstantiated” threats are what Hilton used to invoke the security clause. Gee. I wonder why.

          • Guest

            I believe the Doubletree folks have not passed on the detail of the death/vandalism/violence threats to police yet – ergo, the police don’t know the specifics. But i doubt Doubletree management would lie about terrorist threats from anti-MRAs.

          • Teflon Expat

            The Doubletree staff and management, for the first time, really despises feminists. They just can’t get a break wherever they go!

          • muckraker_steve

            The DoubleTree staff definitely does not despise feminists. They are actually pretty progressive.

          • Teflon Expat

            Progressive is a loaded term. Anyone can claim it and have very different views.

          • Auntie Alias

            Awesome. Are you planning a follow-up article, Steve?

            By the way, I’ve appreciated your coverage on this. It’s strange that the rest of the Detroit media have been mostly silent.

          • sarahgray

            Not for lack of trying.

            Such misandry, right?

          • Auntie Alias

            Hahaha!

          • Teflon Expat

            Um because its like NOT IMPORTANT?

          • Roger The Alien

            They haven’t been. They just haven’t been as biased.

          • muckraker_steve

            Thank you. I definitely plan on following up until the conference is over.

          • Teflon Expat

            HURRY!!

          • Auntie Alias

            Great!

          • Teflon Expat
          • What does “substantiated” mean, out of curiosity? I have the certified letter for your inspection. You know, if you ever call me or anything. Which you never even tried to do, and still haven’t.

            I also have police report numbers. Want those too?

          • Teflon Expat

            Make em sweat . Dont do it

          • muckraker_steve

            I’m getting the police report, and I have the certified letter. Again, just because threats were reported doesn’t mean the threats came from opponents. Surely you would want more evidence for drawing conclusions on anything else.

          • Teflon Expat
          • thekuriousoranj

            Why do you think a critical article is a supportive article? The Salon piece doesn’t make the conference look good, it calls it “bananas.”

          • Roger The Alien

            Hey look, more information that we were denied previously.

            Who’d a thunk?!

          • Incubus

            The evidence which currently exists only points to one group (feminists) being behind the threats, and this is also consistent with the past M.O. of feminist protesters. At this time, there is a case for believing feminists did this, and the only arguments which have been offered to the contrary have been flimsy speculation.

          • Teflon Expat

            and yet it caused no problems for the feminists. But they refuse to explain why they care to know. Makes no sense.

          • There’s two police reports, FYI. Glad you can get them, no one will give them to us. I hope one day you’ll call me, I’d like to know more as well.

          • sarahgray

            I thought they were sent by courier?
            That’s what you explained last week.

          • I may have used the word “courier” loosely if I said that. I got one from FeDex, one from USPS, both signature-required. Not sure why they sent by two carriers. Can’t seem to find one of the copies, but Al and Paul also got two copies each, same way. Is FedEx not a courier service?

        • Teflon Expat

          You’re not getting anything. You’re done. oh, there goes the microwave bell. Your tub of breyers is now soft…go get it.

          Ok yes, I have the recordings. But its a private matter, ok. Now buzz off

        • Roger The Alien

          Let me inform you of something…

          No establishment is going to turn away business unless there is a good reason.

          Growing up on black and death metal in the south, I’ve missed out on seeing several of my favorite bands over the years because a demented cluster of ideologues who disagreed with their music called in or sent messages, threatening violence on the venue if they were allowed to play.

          This is what your movement has become: ideologues threatening violence against those you disagree with and getting your way through bullying tactics all the while crying oppression.

          • Teflon Expat

            Disagree…well yes. But mostly it offends and hurts their feelings. Its about feelings. This pesky failing crap ‘investigator’ is very emotional and very obsessed. Its not just about this. A person does not just become like that. They are like that. Its a condition that rules her life. Sympathy is warranted.

          • sarahgray

            I thought AVfM cancelled on the doubletree, not the other way around?

          • Teflon Expat

            Your thoughts. They are meaningless. What meaningless self inflicted psychological trauma are you going through today?

      • Teflon Expat

        She represents the entire crowd. No wonder the national feminist groups won’t lend them any assistance.

      • Ty Butler

        you’ll see them soon 🙂

  • marcetienne

    Yellow journalism.

  • Teflon Expat

    http://mmm2012mavro.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/mmm-2012.jpg
    “Misogyny. I mock it.”
    No, the master misogyny mockers are here and you go to the back of the bus. One more peep and you’ll be thrown under it. Its a new dawn and the gender discourse baton has been handed off to the MRAs. Peace out.

    • Misogyny Police

      ..

      • Teflon Expat

        They won’t be back

  • Incubus

    For those who say we hate women: no one in this movement is going to this conference with the intention to take rights away from women. This is one of many reasons that we’re going:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_StCzStBy0

    • Teflon Expat

      Even if the intention was to take rights away from someone, how are a bunch of regular working dudes going to accomplish that?

  • Incubus

    Since this discussion thread has now gotten to be quite long, I’d just like to summarize, for those new posters here who don’t feel like going through all 565 comments to find out what’s happened:

    The feminist argument is that Elliot Rodger was an MRA because his Youtube account was subscribed to Pick-Up Artist channels, and based on that, the MRM is their sole explanation for his shootings, despite his manifesto containing some clear stories of parental neglect and a stepmother who mistreated him throughout his life while praising her own son in ways that belittled him. They also claim that MRAs are making excuses for an A Voice for Men article by claiming it was satire, even though the article always stated that it was satire since its first publication.

    At the same time, they claim that Valerie Solanas’ manifesto on the Society for Cutting Up Men was satire because Solanas subsequently said it was after she got arrested for the attempted murder of two men.

    That about sums up the feminist argument. Thanks everyone for reading.

    • Teflon Expat

      Thats it? That is what led to a lashing out tantrum that rapidly dissolved into a defensive regarding a who-done-it threat? This entire matter is solely an expression of anger and not over a particular incident. Its easier to attack some mostly middle aged divorced dads to compensate for the inability of feminists to push ‘progressive’ politics on the masses. AVfM is a convenient target and was assumed to not be so defiant, like say a mosque would be. Instead AVfM caught the feminists way off guard and quickly assumed a sympathetic underdog image while strategically making the feminists look like crazed man-hating buffoons who are bitter about their failings and at the world for not getting their way. It worked beyond expectations.

    • Auntie Alias

      Nice try but none of this is true. There are clearly things you don’t want people to read on this page.

      • Teflon Expat

        What people?

        • Auntie Alias

          “those new posters here who don’t feel like going through all 565 comments to find out what’s happened”

          • Teflon Expat

            Bring em on. Read it all. The feminist ship is sinking and this mock-rich thread reinforces that fact. Best thread in weeks. Very cool

          • driversuz

            Oh believe me, we at AVfM sincerely hope they read every single word.

          • Teflon Expat

            If there is such a thing as a rhetoric war, the feminists have clearly retreated. Never forget the summer of 2014.

      • Mike Hunt

        Haha.

        I for one want everyone to read this page. All of it.

        No one with more than a halfwit’s intelligence could read the nonsense here and not have their view of feminists severely tarnished.

        Except for brainwashed, hate-mongering Marxist-feminists of course.

  • Teflon Expat
  • Teflon Expat

    The concept was not applicable. Now the very word has been mocked and crushed and belittled. No longer in the feminists propaganda arsenal for flagrant use…misogyny!…is officially out of commission.

    • Misogyny Police

      ..

  • Joy

    Great article Steve. AVFM spokesperson really just highlighed in a few words what this group is really about. Good hunting.

    • Teflon Expat

      The MP will get right on it!

      and a one, and a two, and a three…

    • driversuz

      FTSU, to bring attention to long-ignored men’s issues, exactly as we’ve been saying all along. Glad you’re finally getting a clue.

      • Teflon Expat

        It can’t hurt, but absolutely not necessary that she get a clue. The train has left the station…

  • Misogyny Police

    Whenever in doubt…..Misogyny!

    • Teflon Expat

      thats all the time

  • Auntie Alias

    Boring spam trolls are boring.

    • Teflon Expat

      Beats the “where is that evidence” crybabyism for sure

      • Auntie Alias

        Not really.

      • Emily Walton

        What, no lame joke about sharpies?

  • Misogyny Police

    Oh no! Misogyny!

    • Emily Walton

      You real mad

  • Misogyny Police

    Don’t you dare think about it….

  • Teflon Expat
  • Teflon Expat
    • Misogyny Police

      The Misogyny Police!

      • Teflon Expat

        This day will go down in feminist dissent history

  • Misogyny Police

    Feminist Orwellian Police state you say?

    F**k you. You are under arrest.

    – Misogyny Police.

  • Misogyny Police

    Thought crime is a serious crime henceforth. Dare any man think against the feminist ideology, he will be thrown in jail.

    – Misogyny Police.

  • Misogyny Police

    Anyone who opposes the feminist ideology shall now be imprisoned.

    You cannot say anything that would make women uncomfortable from now on.

    – Misogyny Police

    • Teflon Expat

      Or have to endure Sharpie laden bedsheet banners and pumping fists and projectile spittle

  • Attila_L_Vinczer

    Please note, Emily Walton, your new critic, has walked in the room. You are now being evaluated by a self proclaimed… Not sure what the proclamation is, but she is extremely important, I think. So treat her with kid gloves. Her ego might bruise easily. We just don’t want to risk it. How do we great her?

    • Emily Walton

      Oh man, that crack about your grammar really pushed your buttons, didn’t it?

      • Attila_L_Vinczer

        How did you know?

        • Emily Walton

          Well you went on and on about how it didn’t, and this being the internet, I always believe people when they proclaim how unaffected they are.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Right. Makes perfect cents, or is it sends or is it sense. This English grammar is challenging. Was I right? Did you understand me?

          • Emily Walton

            I can’t tell if we’re arguing or bantering. Are we frenemies now?

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Oh look! She responded to me! Again! This is so exciting.

  • Scott Swiecki

  • Misogyny Police

    muckraker_abby – The Low IQ moderator, who wishes she was a man –

    Why was I blocked and why were my comments deleted?

    Come here and justify your banning. If you succeed in justifying them, I will apologize. If not, you will apologize for being an inept, emotionally unstable moderator.

    Fair enough? Come on, then. I am waiting.

    • Emily Walton

      Why so you think you have the authority to order strangers around?

      • Misogyny Police

        Does it hurt being this stupid? What strangers? What ordering around?

        • Emily Walton

          Unless you know muckraker_abby, she’s a stranger to you. And “come here and justify your banning” is literally an order. So you tell me: does it hurt being this stupid?

          • Misogyny Police

            Moron, she blocked me. She abused her authority, for which she is being called out. It’s not an “order”.

            How do you live with this much stupidity is beyond me. But then again, you are a feminist and all..

          • Emily Walton

            LOL OK

          • Misogyny Police

            Yep.

      • Teflon Expat

        Its the MP. Of course that means authority

    • Teflon Expat

      Great handle

    • muckraker_steve

      Misogyny Police, you are acting like a child. You are banned. Grow up.

      • Misogyny Police

        So asking the moderator on what grounds was I banned is ‘acting like a child’?

        With all due respect Steve, are you retarded?

        I disputed abuse of authority. That is not “childish”. That is virtuous. Banning people, silencing dissent, and removing evidence however, IS childish, and arguably immoral.

        I have access to over 200 IPs. Don’t make it harder on yourself. I can do this all day, every day.

        I had stopped commenting as it is, but since you could not let it go, I had to return to give you a piece of my mind.

        Stop abusing authority. Have some integrity. Be professional. I did not state anything that merited a ban. So stop transgressing.

  • bebow

    I’m still laughing.

  • So – it seems that some are not able to grasp any link between those addressing Men’s Human Rights, Misandry and Global Institutional Failures in Equality and US Veterans.

    A Few Pointers:

    VA Audit: Over 120,000 Veterans Experience Delayed Care

    Audit: Over 57,000 New Patients Awaiting Appointments At Veterans Affairs Hospitals, Clinics

    …and for anyone who wants to claim that I’m some kind of hard line gun toting red neck backwoods neck beard who runs the NRA – I’m actually a Queer, Disabled, Academic, Human Rights Aesthete from The UK. The Men’s Human Rights Movement is really into Equality and is open to anyone who can think.

    • Emily Walton

      Are you arguing that the underfunding of the VA is due to a bias against men?

      • Why would you ask such a silly question? There does not need to be Direst Bias for there to be a disproportionate gendered effect against one gender. You may need to rethink your grasp of Bias, Disadvantage and how it is made manifest institutionally – you seem to have been encouraged to not think and rather just consider reality with a feminist lens.

        Have a look at the issues around Misandry And International Law – or even how Institutional Misuse of Language has distorted understanding of sexual violence within the USA – The Sexual Victimization of Men in America: New Data Challenge Old Assumptions – Lara Stemple and Ilan H. Meyer – American Journal of Public Health June 2014

        You may also want to consider why the Male Gendercide being waged by Boko Haram in Nigeria is being ignored by Politicians and Media – it has nothing to do with funding, but everything to do with Male Disposability and Entrenched sexism against the male – even as a child.

        • driversuz

          Huh. Crickets. Imagine that.

  • A.L. Cadillac

    Welcome to crazyworld!

    …sounds like everyone who doesn’t despise women should call up St. Clair Shores and let them know the welcoming committee will be descending on their fair city for the conference.

    • Teflon Expat

      The buffer zone is 35 feet per MA abortion clinic laws. Had to get the number from somewhere

    • EqualityEd

      Are we to assume we men despise women simply because we are also concerned for our sons? Your desperate effort to placate those who vilify our boys for simply being male is deeply misguided.

    • driversuz

      Good luck with that.

  • Teflon Expat

    Damn it. They all went home. Oh yell. That lake view is a nice plus for the conference. The buffer zone is a fixed 35 feet from the property line for any protesters left to go. Thats based on the MA abortion clinic laws. Back at ya. Don’t strain your voices shouting…the building is very far.

  • saf

    The misuse and abuse of the term ‘Misogyny’ is a tactic of relational aggression.

    It is a form of psychological, covert abuse, which is used to silence each and every opposition to the feminist ideology.

    • Teflon Expat

      But is so overused that its been rendered ineffective and makes the user look like a butthurt loser

      • saf

        I hope it continues being overused and misused. This will expedite the realization on the society’s part.

        • Teflon Expat

          This past week pretty much torched it. But very few people in society know of it.

  • CW

    Here’s Paul Elam’s real feelings on men raping women – ”

    Now, let’s take it a step further that just acknowledging the fact that using our brains forces us to concede that rape is, in fact, about sex and reproduction. Indeed, that’s the only thing that makes any sense at all. Since the PC edicts to believe otherwise are wasted in a place like this, it raises yet another question that needs to be asked.

    Do women ask for it?

    I don’t mean that in the sense that they are literally asking men to rape them (though this clearly does happen outside the context of this post). What I mean is, do women who dress and act provocatively; who taunt men sexually, toying with their libidos for personal power and gain, etc., have the same type of responsibility for what happens to them as, say, someone who parks their car in a bad neighborhood with the keys in the ignition and leaves it unlocked with the motor running?

    Obviously, we still blame the car thief for the actual theft, but don’t most of us turn to the person who owned the car and at least want to ask, “What the fuck were you thinking?”

    Wouldn’t the insurance company take a dim view of paying a claim in the midst of such stupid irresponsibility?

    We should, though, also remember that at least the guy who set himself up to have his car jacked wasn’t doing anything sinister to begin with. Stupid, but not sinister. We can’t say the same for some of these women.

    In that light, I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires so they can get shit faced on the beta dole; paying their bar tab with the pussy pass. And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.

    But are these women asking to get raped?

    In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.

    They are freaking begging for it.

    Damn near demanding it.

    And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.

    In my opinion their “plight” from being raped should draw about as much sympathy as a man who loses a wallet full of cash after leaving it laying around a bus station unattended.

    Perhaps if we start curbing out automatic outrage over what happens to women who are begging for and insisting on trouble, then maybe a few of them will be more prone to decisions that turn out a little better for them.

    Just sayin.’”

    Here’s the link to the original post before Elam later amended it to retroactively call it satire. http://web.archive.org/web/20111103174336/http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/challenging-the-etiology-of-rape/

    • Teflon Expat
      • CW

        Gee, I was wondering what YOU thought, LOL.

        • Teflon Expat

          Thats the 23rd copy and paste. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yawn

          • CW

            Still won’t make it go away. 🙂

          • librtee_dot_com

            What will make it go away is that, of the thousands of articles AVFM has published over the years, the exact same 2 or 3 articles are trotted out time and time again as proof of their misogyny.

            I think a lot of MRAs have a problem with that article you cited. However, seeing as we read AVFM as a whole and not only sites attempting to demonize the MRM through cherry picking the worst things, we know that 99.9% of the content on the site is in no way misogynstic.

            The fact that the evidence proving AVFM’s misogyny is so rare is actually evidence that AVFM is not in fact misogynistic.

          • Teflon Expat

            Who cares. The word is cooked. No one is paying attention. MRAs now have an open field

          • CW

            So because he USUALLY doesn’t write about how women beg to be raped makes it A-Okay? LOL

          • Mike Hunt

            Why is it so difficult for you to grasp satire even when it is clearly labeled as such?

          • Emily Walton

            Because just slapping the “satire” label on something doesn’t make it so?

          • Roger The Alien

            Well, if you read it, you’d know it was satire. Unless you don’t understand what satire is.

          • CW

            Yeah, you must not know that he went back and added a disclaimer some time later claiming it’s satire. Look at the original link from the way back machine I posted. He clearly means it.

          • Roger The Alien

            How many times are you going to post the same response?

            I can tell it’s satire by reading it. I can tell it’s satire because I understand things like tone and context.

            Regardless, it’s an old article that’s been debated to death. Shouldn’t you be on twitter making sure a comedian doesn’t tweet a rape joke without reprisal?

          • CW

            Of course you can. Of course. 😉 Elam disagreed with you before he panicked, went back and changed it. But of course you can, LOL. Bless your damn heart. 😉

          • Roger The Alien

            Just making up things as you go along? Cool. Have fun with that.

          • driversuz

            He added the “disclaimer” to accommodate the retarded feminists who keep linking to it. Intelligent readers knew it was satire when it was published.

          • Emily Walton

            What’s it a satire of, then?

          • Roger The Alien

            Feminist claims of rape and how they claim all men view rape, obviously. Again. Basic reading eludes you.

          • Auntie Alias

            Basic decency eludes you.

          • Roger The Alien

            Says the person who actively cheers on violence toward innocent hotel workers.

          • Emily Walton

            Where did she do that?

          • Roger The Alien

            All through this thread and the other one she’ s been defending those who sent threats to the hotel.

            Anyone who supports this event being moved, supports the actions that led to it’s moving.

          • driversuz

            Oh jeez. Not this again. Sweetie, you are so behind. Some of us just don’t have time for your remedial education. Be a grown up and learn for yourself.

          • Mike Hunt

            Of well of course then! Its not satire unless it’s convenient for *you* to believe it’s satire. Got it!

          • CW

            Umm, look at the original link where he’s clear it isn’t satire and even defends the piece from MRA critics. That was BEFORE he back-peddled and claimed it was satire. Nice move but too slow. 😉

          • Roger The Alien

            Because a large percentage of women are void of humor.

          • driversuz

            Not women. Feminists, like 99.9%

          • Roger The Alien

            You’re right. I should have said a small, shrinking percentage of illogical women.

          • librtee_dot_com

            ‘Usually’ is a pretty weak word to describe 99.9+%

    • driversuz

      Nice try.
      Lame.

  • saf

    Just because you think it is “Misogyny”, does not mean it is “Misogyny”.

    Just because you’re offended, does not mean you’re right.

  • saf

    “Oh oh, it hurts mah precious feeeeelings”

    The justification of all feminists, regardless of its soundness.

  • saf

    Feminists – Just because you’re offended, does not mean you’re right.

    Get this through your thick head.

    • Teflon Expat

      Its starting to sink in. This past week was a HUGE lesson for them.

      • Emily Walton

        I must have missed it. What HUGE lesson was I supposed to learn this week?

        • sarahgray

          That 200 people protesting can achieve the goal of no hotel in the city of Detroit being willing to host a hate group?

        • Teflon Expat

          “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

          Salon

          • Emily Walton

            Nah, I already knew Paul Elam was a lying scammer

          • saf

            Is that a tin-foil hat I see on your head?

          • Teflon Expat

            Results are all that matter. Global view of American Feminists down 35 pts

          • Emily Walton

            I’m just gonna quote Saf here: “Post it here and explain how you reached this conclusion.”

          • librtee_dot_com

            Source?

        • Mike Hunt

          Exactly.

          Your inability to learn is a great service to men’s right activists.

          • Emily Walton

            Or possibly you’re not as important as you think you are, and the average Joe (or Jane) has no idea what you’re on about?

          • RubberPunch

            I think Mike is important, and I’m pretty average.

          • Mike Hunt

            I am sorry you don’t understand. I don’t know how to dumb it down enough for a feminist to get it though.

          • Emily Walton

            That is a very clever insult and I am definitely hurt by it.

          • Mike Hunt

            Lovely.

  • Teflon Expat

    Seems that the feminists just grew tails, tucked them firmly under themselves and ran off yelping. Dang. Come on back. We’re far from done with you.

  • Teflon Expat

    Next new disorder: Hoax Letter Disorder.
    Symptoms include extreme anger, red face, bloating, constipation, pencil snapping, screen spittle and a host of other nasty stuff.

  • CW

    One of their speaks Michael Buchanan is gleefully using the final resting place of service men and women as a prop. How disgustingly exploitive but not surprising from an MRA.

    • Teflon Expat

      He gleefully offends feminists. That is YOUR problem. that is also know as..

      a one, a two, a three…

      • CW

        LOL, no. He gleefully exploits dead soldiers. Typical MRA tactic though…

        • Teflon Expat

          Get your Sharpies and make some signs

          • CW

            Their BS speaks for itself as far as I’m concerned. Too bad they have to crap all over people that actually do something though.

          • Teflon Expat

            Like feminists?

          • CW

            So it’s feminists fault Michael Buchanan exploits dead soldiers? Typical, typical.

        • karen straughan

          At least he waited until the bodies were cold before using them to further his agenda–more than I can say about feminists and other “social justice” types, who were blaming MRAs and the NRA for Elliot Rodger’s shooting rampage before they even realized 4 of the 6 dead weren’t women, and only half the dead were killed with a gun, and who were attributing the entire incident to “white male anger” before realizing Rodger was half-Asian.

          Of course, according to these valiant SJWs, calling Rodger a madman is unjustly prejudicial toward the mentally ill and offloading culpability from the offender to an outside force, but blaming it on whiteness and maleness, or (a still not demonstrated) MRA influence is somehow NOT prejudicial, nor offloading culpability from the offender.

          Given the bizarre logic applied, I’m inclined to go with my first impression of both Rodger and feminism–lazy hypocrites with a bloated sense of entitlement and no sense of personal responsibility.

  • Teflon Expat

    Be proud. Own the word. Take it back. Neutralize it.
    The first MisogynyWalk is next Friday in Toronto. Why Toronto? Don’t know.

  • Teflon Expat

    They’re afraid to post now. Heads are spinning

    • saf

      I blame the Misogyny.

      • Teflon Expat

        Its all about that. What else is there to point to?

  • saf

    Why is it only women who see sexism everywhere?

    Women should be careful about declaring everyday setbacks to be examples of sexism, unless they want men to start doing the same

    telegraph. co. uk/men/relationships/10845534/Why-is-it-only-women-who-see-sexism-everywhere.html

    OMG!!! MISOOOOOGYNYYYY!!

    • Teflon Expat

      “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

      a one, a two, a three…

      • saf

        MISOOOGYYYNEEEEE!!

        • Please stop spamming the comments section.

          • saf

            I am writing the word Misogyny. I suggest you learn the meaning of the word ‘Spam’.

          • Cool. Stop doing that, then.

          • saf

            Why?

          • Because it’s in no way contributing to a productive conversation and it’s irritating to me.

          • saf

            “it’s irritating to me.”

            This says it all, doesn’t it? I am only trying to help you by exposing the vile Misogyny.

          • Teflon Expat

            Misogyny is irritating

          • Mike Hunt

            Feminist solipsism.

          • saf

            They resemble dictators more. And then people say that they are innocent, little victims…

            If only they know the truth about them.

          • Teflon Expat

            Misogyny is a serious word

  • saf

    Miss Misogyny is here! Please welcome the Misogyny queen Auntie alias.

  • Auntie Alias

    This juvenile spamming is ridiculous.

    • Teflon Expat

      But oh so effective.

      • Auntie Alias

        You would think that.

        • Teflon Expat

          Oh. It is. The ass-handing you all got last Saturday just keeps on going

          “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

          • Auntie Alias

            You guys are your own worst enemies.

          • Teflon Expat

            If so, we learned from the past week’s sign carrying tirade. But nah. You’re all being tooled.

          • Mike Hunt

            Strike that. Reverse it.

    • G Trieste

      Wow, I can’t even keep track of who the spammers are, and who the ‘regular’ folks are.
      What does it all meeen steeempy?

    • Mike Hunt

      Says the freak show who posts the same lies over and over wishing they would magically become true.

      • Teflon Expat

        This is the only true statement and its now global:

        “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

    • Stephen Jones

      Now that I can agree with.
      Guys, you’re not proving anything by acting like jackasses.
      There’s a time and place for that type of behaviour, and it’s called Tumblr.

    • Auntie Alias Says “This juvenile spamming is ridiculous.” – so we all have to ask the question, If Auntie knows her Juvenile spamming is ridiculous why would she keep doing it?

      http://imgur.com/iTmxg1i

      • Emily Walton

        “I know you are, but what am I?”

    • driversuz

      Pot, meet kettle.

  • saf

    Men’s rights activists point to differential prison terms for men and women as evidence of discrimination. Warren Farrell cites evidence that men receive harsher prison sentences and are more likely sentenced to death in the United States.

    OMGG!! WOMEN HATERSSS!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!

    • Teflon Expat

      I can’t find death threat evidence that allows me to discredit the MRAs and get this nasty egg offa my face…

      • saf

        Only one explanation then – Misogyny!!

    • Mykeru

      Remember Jodi Arias? She was convicted of 1st degree, premeditated murder with the aggravating factor of extreme cruelty, so what hung the jury up? The penalty phase. They just couldn’t figure out what her punishment should be, confusion which would have evaporated if she had been tried as a black guy.

      • Emily Walton

        It’s true, there’s a real racism problem in our justice system.

      • driversuz

        Or a white guy.

    • Emily Walton

      Warren Farrell also thinks a woman who doesn’t put out on a date is committing fraud, and that women are actually the ones with all the power because men are helpless before our butts.

      • Teflon Expat

        Better get out yer Sharpies and signs!

        • Emily Walton

          Why would I fly all the way to Detroit to protest a non-event like a Men’s Rights conference?

          • Teflon Expat

            Why would any Rational Professional Respectful person whether already in the area or not protest something as harmless and innocuous as this conference? A prickly demeanor and supreme anger notwithstanding.

          • Emily Walton

            I dunno. Ask them.

          • Teflon Expat

            The 40 or so protesters from last week are not a representative set, as described.

          • Auntie Alias

            For the same reason they’d protest a gathering of Ku Klux Klan.

          • Teflon Expat

            “harmless and innocuous as this conference” does not fit but do carry on with your freakshow

          • Auntie Alias

            Which is what they’d say about themselves too.

          • Teflon Expat

            Um, not they wouldn’t DA

          • Emily Walton

            Yes they would, and do. The KKK have actually spilled a lot of ink defending the claim that they’re not actually racists and would never hurt anybody.

          • Teflon Expat

            Then come out and protest or stfu

          • Auntie Alias

            Bigots always convince themselves they’re on a righteous mission and paint themselves as victims of those they hate.

          • Teflon Expat

            Sounds EXACTLY like feminism.
            “victims of those they hate.”
            EXACTLY. Bingo, nail on head

          • Auntie Alias

            Feminists don’t hate men.

          • Teflon Expat

            MRAs dont hate women

          • driversuz

            Feminists don’t recognize men as human.

          • Auntie Alias

            MRAs don’t consider women as fully human. That includes you, Suzanne.

          • Emily Walton

            I know you are, but what am I?

          • Emily Walton

            Trufax

      • saf

        Post it here and explain how you reached this conclusion.

        • Emily Walton

          Misssaaannnndreeeeee!

          • saf

            MISOOGGYNNEEEEEEE!!

          • Emily Walton

            Yes, I was mocking you.

          • saf

            MISOOGYNNEEEEE WUT??

          • Teflon Expat

            Woah, a non burned out word!

  • saf

    Men’s and fathers’ rights groups have stated that there are high levels of misattributed paternity or “paternity fraud”, where men are parenting and/or supporting financially children who are not biologically their own.

    OMGG!! WOMEN HATERSSSSS!!

  • saf

    Mark R. DeMist below will now enlighten all of us how Men’s rights are WOMAN HATERSSSSSSS!

    Waiting for Mark R. DeMist’s explanation now…

  • saf

    Men’s rights activists state that military conscription of men is an example of discrimination against men.

    OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!!

  • Mark R. DeMist

    So this is another GOP Tea Party conservative asshole event eh? The He-Man Woman Haters Club. What a bunch of asshats.

    • saf

      OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!! WOMAN HATERSSSSSSS!!

  • saf

    Men’s rights activists are concerned with false accusations of rape and sexual assault and desire to protect men from the negative consequences of false accusations.

    OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!!

  • saf

    The education of boys as being in crisis, with boys having reduced educational achievement and motivation as compared to girls.

    OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!!

  • saf

    Domestic violence by women is ignored and under-reported.

    OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!!

  • saf

    Family law is an area of deep concern among men’s rights groups. The legal system and family courts discriminate against men, especially in regards to child custody after divorce.

    OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!!

    • Teflon Expat

      Men pee while standing

      • saf

        OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEEEEE!!!!

        • Teflon Expat

          People meet at a hotel and they might discuss feminism with no feminists present

    • Emily Walton

      Nope. When men /actually ask/ for custody, they get it more than half the time.

      • Teflon Expat

        They fear the misogyny label.

      • Mike Hunt

        Except no.

        • Emily Walton

          The New England Law Review must be under the thumb of the gynocracy, then: http://amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm

          • n00dle5

            from your article..
            “Fathers who actively
            seek custody obtain either primary or joint physical custody
            over 70% of the time.”
            Seeing your kids 4 days a month is joint custody.
            And then I see this…
            “Permanent shared legal custody should be awarded only when the
            parents submit an acceptable shared legal custody plan to the court and
            the court finds that the parents are willing and able to work together
            to make major decisions concerning the children.”
            So, if one parent decides not to get along with the other, the authors of this paper say that dad shouldn’t get to see his kids?

      • driversuz

        Nope.

    • driversuz

      By all means, continue to show your true colors by implying that there’s something laughable about the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
      Do it loudly and often, and give people cause to wonder what criteria feminists use to judge social status if the sincerely believe that a hotel chain like Hilton somehow has a higher “status” than the VFW.

  • saf

    Misogynistic obsessive disorder – It is personality disorder with a pervasive pattern of obsession with Misogyny.

    Individuals infected with feminism are 73 times more likely to be diagnosed with Misogynistic obsessive disorder.

    The victim sees Misogyny everywhere. Plants, animals, water, food, science, technology all appear to be Misogynistic.

    There is no known cure as of now. More research is required to provide the victims with better treatment options.

    • Teflon Expat

      Those with MOD can often be identified by their uncanny ability to self-denigrate in group protests as they attempt to rid the non-existent misogyny in concert with fellow MOD inflicted souls.

      • G Trieste

        Wow.
        There are so many nested levels of sarcasm here, I don’t even know what or who you are making phun of.
        It’s worse than that Inception movie.

      • saf

        Poor MOD victims. I wish they find a cure for it. A lot of people are suffering.

        • Teflon Expat

          Luckily, its not really a lot of people. Its and easily manipulated minority

  • Attila_L_Vinczer

    Steve Neavling, I will respectfully adhere to your request not to name call. My intent was to merely identify a person’s character and nothing more or less.

  • saf

    Why does mother have all the reproductive rights and the father has no reproductive rights?

    OMGG!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!!

    • Teflon Expat

      Followed by

      -you hate women
      -you have a small penis
      -you don’t have a GF
      -you have a problem with your mother
      -you are a mysoginist
      -somebody made you suffer in the past
      -you must be hating women
      -what do you have against women? are you against women?
      -you must be impotent
      -you are ugly and poor
      -“sissy-boy/girl little baby males”, etc

  • saf

    Feminism is socialism in panties – The great Karen Straughan.

    • Emily Walton

      I wish this one were actually true. But I’m one of those eeevil socialists.

  • Teflon Expat

    Salon, a real global news site, says:

    “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

    “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

    “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

    “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

    You guys are so screwed.

    • Emily Walton

      It’s cute how important you think you are.

      • Teflon Expat

        There is a run on Sharpies in the Detroit area. Hurry!

  • saf

    All men must bow down to women. If not, Auntie alias is here to throw the “Misogyny” bomb at us.

    “OMGGGG!! Miiisooogggiiiineee!!!” Auntie Alias

    • Teflon Expat

      ooh the M bomb!

      • saf

        How dare you!! MIIIIISOOOOGYYNNEEEEEE!!!

        • Teflon Expat

          Anyone who spouts it is now known as a MisoHead

          • saf

            I am thinking about a new personality disorder – Misogynistic obsessive disorder.

          • Teflon Expat

            Its also a syndrome

  • saf

    Say feminists – I dare you to do something now, with the veterans on our side. Come on, show us what you got. Lol

    You will not stop us. You will not silence us. Try, as you might.

    • Teflon Expat

      They’re done. Sharpies were put away. Heads hung in shame. The PR war is lost and showing up this time will work entirely for the conference and not them

      • saf

        Conferences like these should happen each year, every year, for all of the world to take notice.

        2 birds with one stone – We raise awareness for men’s issues and we expose the feminist despots for the vile, hateful bigots that they are.

        • driversuz

          That is the goal.

          • Teflon Expat

            Much of that goal has already been achieved. The feminists have been tooled and THEY KNOW IT!!

  • Teflon Expat

    The GLOBALLY read Salon site has this headline:

    “Men’s rights group raises $25,000 to protect them from feminists”

    That is what your protests and shrieking bellows got you! That is what was planned for you. You walked right into it. Wow. Slow clap.

    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/04/mens_rights_group_raises_25000_to_protect_them_from_feminists/

    Now run off and go get your desperately need ‘evidence’ disproving the threats! GO RUN, Giddyup. hahahahaha

  • jesssoul

    Steve, even though I have a serious distaste for AVfM, that twitter handle appears to be a spoof. Who is the person running it who claims to be a spokesperson? Do you know?

    • sarahgray

      It’s not a spoof. That’s Janet Bloomfield’s official twitter.

      • Teflon Expat

        What!? No mention of some kind of evidence demand? you’re slipping…

      • G Trieste

        She is straightforward, but kinda raw.
        Powerful videos, makes she. I like her.
        But . . .
        Over the top sarcasm or satire is too easy for detractors to repackage as someone being serious.

    • Nikkie

      It isn’t a spoof. Her name is Janet, she runs a blog and a reddit account with the handle judgybitch and she is the social media coordinator for AVFM. Find her on AVFM, she has links to this account on there.

    • sarahgray

      It’s not a spoof. What makes you think that?

      It’s Janet Bloomfield’s official twitter.

    • Kimberley Morse

      Janet Bloomfield is the conference’s official spokesperson. It is not a spoof.

  • Auntie Alias
    • Teflon Expat
      • Auntie Alias

        So you think you can call me a loser via a link to Wikepedia? What a childish way to flout the rules.

        • Teflon Expat

          It is what you are and you continue to dig a deeper hole for the feminists. Good job

          • Emily Walton

            You keep referring to “the feminists” like we’re a single, organized group with common goals. It’s almost like you have no clue what feminism even is.

    • driversuz

      Best, most reliable source of info ever! So say ABC and Elizabeth Vargas!

      • Auntie Alias

        Is that why you upvoted it? :o)

    • Auntie Alias, you seem to post quite a bit, but you don’t have the courage to use your own name?

      • Emily Walton

        Given the number of women who’ve been doxxed and harassed by MRAs (particularly A Voice For Men) I don’t blame anyone for not wanting their real name out where MRAs can see it.

        • Auntie Alias

          Bingo.

          • Emily Walton

            It’s probably not wise to be using my real name here, but then, anyone who wanted to dox me could do so with the info I’ve posted on WHTM, and I know MRAs and other redpillers hate-stalk that site.

          • Auntie Alias

            You’re braver than me! Life is stressful enough without adding rape threats and death threats to the pile.

    • Jennifer

      Paul Elam’s Youtube name is – The happy Misogynist

      Here – youtube. com/user/TheHappyMisogynist

  • Mykeru

    I’ve Googled the phrase “women haters whose fury goes well beyond criticism of the family court system, domestic violence laws and false rape accusations.” that Steve Neavling presents as criticism by the Southern Poverty Law Center, but if you read the source (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women) it’s clear the SPLC “Intelligence Report” is engaging in bottom feeding: Defining a position by the stupidest, most unhinged crap written by mental 12 year-olds they can find in associated comments.

    I would expect the SPLC would accrue their own dumb comments, and therefore be defined by them, if they cleverly didn’t allow any comments. The benefits of having a running monologue with the world.

    To be fair, I fully expect someone who ostensibly supports Neavling to post a comment that is trollish, vindictive, violent and/or just plain dumb followed by Steve coming forward and owning it completely.

    • muckraker_steve

      Say what?

      • Mykeru

        What do you need explained? I’m here to help you.

        • muckraker_steve

          This paragraph makes some logical leaps: “To be fair, I fully expect someone who ostensibly supports Neavling to post a comment that is trollish, vindictive, violent and/or just plain dumb followed by Steve coming forward and owning it completely.”

          • Mykeru

            As you go by the SPLC’s logic of holding AVfM and the “manosphere” in general accountable for the dumbest, most vile comments generated by their having comments at all, then would in theory take ownership of the dumbest, most vile comments generated by your writing, correct?

            That’s not a “leap of logic”. It’s a hypothetical. More specifically, it’s a subjunctive: “IF someone who supports you makes a dumb comment, THEN you will take ownership”. Just as you expect Men’s Right’s supporters to do.

    • To be honest, we HAVE indulged in over-the-top rhetoric at times–in the literally thousands of articles we’ve published, I still cringe at a few of them, although I’m proud to say it’s only a few. When you’re trying to get attention and no one listens, sometimes you take a risk and sometimes you lose your shit. I own that. OTOH, you’re right, holding us accountable for what every bottom-feeding anonymous commenter says, and holding it against us forever and ever and ever, is pretty low too.

      • librtee_dot_com

        Thanks for saying that. It’s always refreshing to hear members of any movement admit their movements fallibility; on the other hand, it’s hard to ignore the fact that the same 2 or 3 aged articles are trotted out over and over to demonstrate the hatefulness of AVFM.

        • Teflon Expat

          Thats after weeks of scouring everything. Piss poor

      • John Davis

        This is smart stuff and good to hear.

      • Your wrong Dean.. until you can figure out how to keep the clowns in the clown car no one in the media is ever going to take you or your group seriously. If every story about AVfM comment section turns what this comment section has turned into, 500+ posts of name calling , bitching , moaning and more name calling..it gets really old, people walk away and your message get lost.. And when the commentator turn on the Moderators..line get crossed, and you lose a media outlet.
        If you want the media and the pubic to pay attention to you and your followers can’t act like 5 year old fighting over the sandbox.
        It’s your name on the masthead…..the buck has to stop somewhere.

        • Incubus

          That might be valid if the MRAs in these comment sections didn’t generally post facts, whereas the feminists almost always post juvenile insults. As it stands, the MRAs are the ones who have been peaceful, and that’s one reason why more and more people have signed on with the movement after seeing feminist scare tactics such as the death threats or the pulling of the fire alarm. People already ARE taking our movement seriously, in large part due to standard feminist behavior.

          • You don’t get it. It doesn’t matter who starts the name calling, it doesn’t matter what is factual or not or who has the correct facts…There is only one named organization in the discussion, that would be AVfM , If the supporters of AVfM come off like a bunch of asshats what do think the readers will remember about AVfM…?

            You guys also have to stop using line like “standard feminist behavior” is there a manual somewhere that explains what that is?

            If you don’t control the message…you lose.

          • Incubus

            I don’t agree AVFM supporters do come off like asshats. Like I’ve said, we’re generally the ones who act civilized.

            As many of us have said numerous times, if feminists won’t object to the things other members who use their moniker engage in, then yes, they are all like that, and deserve to be called so. “Standard feminist behavior” is very much a valid thing. There may not be a manual for describing how feminists have to behave, but neither is there a manual for determining how a leaf is supposed to look… yet, we all recognize a leaf when we see one. Generalizations such as these are valid when the group commonly exhibits said behavior, and other members of the group are more interested in saying “Not all of us are like that” than they are in doing something about it.

          • You must be reading a different comment section…

          • Incubus

            No? If you compare the level of name calling here to the feminists’ level of name calling, I think there’s a clear difference between a side that’s gotten fed up with posting facts that the other side isn’t interested in responding to, and a side that’s just name calling because they honestly don’t have a point. And I think objective readers can tell the difference.

            I also think even this level of name calling from us is rare. I never saw it before yesterday, and there it was only done after several attempts at discussion, only to face responses like “I went to college, you didn’t!”

          • DENIZ

            YEAH ITS TRUE THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF OUR ACTIONS AND BE DELIBERATE HOWEVER WE CAN NEVER SMASH FEMINISM BY BEING GENTLEMEN WE GOTTA BE CUNNING ,INSANELY AGGRESSIVE AND TEAR APART FEMINISM LIMB TO LIMB..FUCK FEMINISM UP !!

        • driversuz

          The “Mind your tone or you won’t be taken seriously,” argument as been proven invalid. This movement has been minding its tone for decades, only to be ignored and harassed into near silence. It is only with the advent of AVfM and FTSU, that forward progress is being made.
          Indisputable facts do not support your theory. So sorry.

        • librtee_dot_com

          I don’t know, the existence of Rad Fems hasn’t stopped the media from taking Feminism seriously.

  • Petition to stop harassing and lying about peaceful human rights activists, started only a few days ago, at 1,000 signatures and climbing: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/allow-the-international-conference-on-mens-issues

    • Teflon Expat

      Amanda Marcotte and other actually marginally influential feminists won’t even acknowledge what is going with this conference. Such petitions are one reason why. The loose canon feminists are playing nicely into your hands. Well done.

      Not to mention the give-me-evidence feminists who, between consuming large quantities of soothing ice cream, are still at it.

    • Auntie Alias

      Peaceful, my ass. AVFM is a hate site that incites hatred of women and violence.

      • Teflon Expat

        What violence exactly? Rodger has been debunked, so what else?

        The site you refer to is merely offensive to feminists. It discredits them. Feminists have been known to lash out into foamy irrational tirades. This is one of those times. Simple. Now you can go have lunch.

        Oh yes, Elliot Rodger has been debunked. Give it a rest.

        • Auntie Alias

          The violence you’ll wave off as satire.

          • scott mclelland

            ok so if violent satire , or satire in general isnt acceptable in your book as justification , then you as a feminist have to hold yourself to the same standard, which means the SCUM manifesto is very real , ooooh what about the peadophile rape in the vagina monologues ” if it was rape it was good rape” for the woman on girl rape is obviously proof feminists are pro rape by your standard , if you want to take writings that are satire/fiction and imply its real then thats the outcome

          • Auntie Alias

            I’m talking about a distinct website – AVFM – that falsely claims it’s non-violent. I’m not responsible for what Valerie Solanas wrote decades ago nor have I ever seen the Vagina Monologues. Also, two wrongs don’t make a right.

          • scott mclelland

            ok so let me get this straight , you , and i have posted to you several times in the past and you have come out with some stuff that is ….. hateful of mras , but you have made an admission there that is important , if you arent to be held accountable for your sister feminists actions, be it them, be it the radfem hub, be it the jezabel staff and posters who wrote the article and commented on the article ” do you hit your boyfriend cuz uh we do” ( with a wonderful anecdote about one of the writers hitting her partner because he was crying thinking he had breast cancer ) , if you as a feminist do not carry responsibility for the actions of other feminists then the actions of individual mras and non mras ( and rodger wasnt an mra ) are not something you can tar an entire movement with it cant be different , either you own your shit as a feminist or you stop trying to hold mras to a standard you are not willing to be held to yourself.

          • Auntie Alias

            Did you miss the part where I said I was specifically critiquing the website AVFM? I didn’t drag Elliot Rodger into this.

          • fidelbogen

            Are you voicing objection to the upcoming conference? Do you wish to see it cancelled?

          • fidelbogen

            By the same token, neither is every non-feminist on earth responsible for what every lone criminal (e.g. Elliot Rodger) does.

            If you’re a feminist, admit it.

          • driversuz

            You’d pretty much have to rewrite the dictionary to claim that AVfM is violent. But feminists do that every day don’t they? “Patriarchy,” “Rape Culture,” “Rape,” “Doxxing,” “Oppression.”

            Why not redefine “Violence” too? It’s feminists’ most notable skill.

          • Auntie Alias

            “Activism” encouraging the bombing of courthouses and police stations counts as violence, not to mention terrorism.

          • Incubus

            The MRM hasn’t done that. But feminists have encouraged the killing of innocent bystanders at the Hilton. I thought you were the one arguing that terrorism doesn’t count when feminists are the ones doing it?

          • Auntie Alias

            AVFM lauded child abuser Thomas Ball as a soldier and martyr and had his terrorist manifesto posted in their Activism section for some time.

            The rest of your comment is poppycock.

          • Incubus

            You mean the guy who set himself on fire after suffering abuse in the family court system? Yeah, interesting that this is how you characterize that. Your level of narcissism speaks volumes. And no, my comment is not poppycock, it’s clearly your attitude anytime you’re faced with very real violent behavior from feminists.

          • Auntie Alias

            Yes, that guy, The guy who smacked his daughter in the mouth for licking his hand. The guy who couldn’t accept the label of abuser. His problems with the court system were a direct result of that. He was a violent piece of shit and this is the kind of person AVFM chose to celebrate while claiming to be non-violent.

            There is not the slightest bit of evidence that any violent threats related to the Detroit conference were made by feminists. A hundred MRAs chanting that they did doesn’t make it so.

          • Incubus

            There is abundant evidence of it. There isn’t evidence that anything you claimed he did actually happened.

            A better description of your case here would be that it bothers you that we are concerned for innocent people who set themselves on fire after having their lives destroyed based on claims for which no evidence exists.

          • Auntie Alias

            His own manifesto described what he did to his daughter causing his life to spin out of control.

            “There is abundant evidence of it.”

            Not a shred.

          • driversuz

            Thomas Ball was not a terrorist and unlike feminists, we do not condone terrorism.

          • Auntie Alias

            Yet you had his manifesto advocating firebombing on AVFM.

          • Incubus

            The only thing I see there is the article about him. But even if it is there, recognizing male suffering is not the same thing as advocating for everything a tortured soul will say.

          • driversuz

            But Hilton’s reports to the police and letters to AVfM do make it so.

            I know you think that if you tell a lie often enough it will catch on, but that’s only true among low intelligence readers. We know the demographic to which you are appealing and we understand that it’s the only demographic you can influence.

          • Auntie Alias

            There is no concrete evidence of FEMINISTS being behind any threats. The letter didn’t say that and no one has access to the police reports.

          • driversuz

            Reach a little higher; you might touch the gutter. Come on. Stretch!

          • Incubus

            I’m sure it’s just coincidence that these threats were received at the same time that a feminist group which advocated violence was formed on Facebook, which specifically talked about hiring actors right before the threats were received.

          • Auntie Alias

            Speculation isn’t proof.

            Not the actors again. Jeez.

          • Incubus

            Too many coincidences is often considered proof in a court of law. In fact, it’s considered proof in the scientific community as well.

          • Auntie Alias

            We aren’t discussing science. We’re discussing your baseless claim that “feminists have encouraged the killing of innocent bystanders at the Hilton.”

          • Incubus

            We’re discussing the claim that has already been shown to be anything but baseless, and the fact that you’re clearly trying to dispute anything which is shown to you.

          • driversuz

            That’s how these people function. Lies, distortions, dodges and distractions are all they have. And their tactics are not working anymore.
            Poor dears.

          • driversuz

            Utter nonsense, long ago debunked. Can;t you come up with any new lies?

          • Auntie Alias
          • driversuz

            Oh yes, THAT’S a reliable source!
            Pfft!

          • Auntie Alias

            Your denials are tedious.

            The manifesto was only removed from the site after the Boston Marathon bombings.

          • driversuz

            Speaking of tedious…
            do keep harping on the same old talking points that nobody believes anymore.

          • fidelbogen

            Explain. Proof by assertion is a fallacy.

          • karen straughan

            Like Valerie Solanas’s satire?

          • Emily Walton

            Got anything a little more recent?

          • Jennifer

            Emily

            Paul Elam’s Youtube name is – The happy Misogynist

            Here – youtube. com/user/TheHappyMisogynist

          • Emily Walton

            I know who Paul Elam is. I was poking at Karen and the fact that the most recent “OMG violent feminist” MRAs can name is from decades ago.

          • Jennifer

            Paul Elam’s Youtube name is – The happy MISOGYNIST!

            MISOGYNIST

            Get it?

          • fidelbogen

            The problem with feminists is not that they are “violent”, but that they are, generally speaking, pathological liars.

            Lying is absolutely essential to the ongoing existence of feminism. If God somehow forced all feminists to be impeccable truth tellers 100% of the time, then feminism as an enterprise would sputter and roll to a stop like a car running out of gas.

          • Emily Walton

            Is it really so hard to believe that feminists might actually believe in what we’re saying? I don’t accuse you guys of lying just because I disagree with you.

          • Sphinx111

            An important point.

          • CWilson

            You guys keep bringing up Valerie Solanas. As in “She got away with writing stuff and claiming it was satire, why can’t we?”

            Valerie Solanas was one person, writing as herself. She was also diagnosed as a paranoid schitzophrenic.

            AVfM bills itself as a human rights organization. When you are claiming you are a human rights organization people are going to find it hard to believe if you keep writing violent fantasies and then claiming they are satire.

            I keep hearing that these articles were a response to something written in Jezebel. Jezebel has a feminist slant, but its just a blog trying to generate hits, not a feminist flagship.

            AVfM on the other hand claims that it is the voice of men’s human rights. When you are writing for your organization you ought to be a bit more careful about what you say and how it might be interpreted.

      • That would be a libel against peaceful human rights activists. Repeatedly making that libelous claim, while under an anonymous handle, just destroys whatever credibility you have.

        • Auntie Alias

          Go ahead and sue me. Oh wait, since A Voice for Men, LLC has no legal standing due to it being in tax forfeiture, I guess you can’t.

          • Bwahahahahaha. OK, just believe whatever you want while you hide under a pseudonym.

          • Auntie Alias
          • driversuz

            Oh please. Those “data report” peddlers said I was worth half a million back when I didn’t have a pot to piss in. Scraping the bottom of the rumor barrel, are we?

          • driversuz

            Now that’s just funny.
            It’s also libel.

          • Auntie Alias

            Not when it’s true.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Anything is possible in this buffoons mind. Still baffled by your unidentified purpose???

          • Auntie Alias
          • driversuz

            Did you check out my response to your link?

          • Auntie Alias

            Disqus isn’t showing it. I’ll have to look at my profile history.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            I will enjoy the day you are brought before the courts on a class action where your hide will hide no more.

            Again nothing constructive out of this clown.

          • Emily Walton

            Class action for what? Being mean on the internet?

          • Jennifer

            Paul Elam’s Youtube name is – The happy Misogynist.

            Here – youtube. com/user/TheHappyMisogynist

          • fidelbogen

            Your point in sharing this piece of information is. . . . ?

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            No.

      • driversuz

        You keep saying that as if it were true.

        • Attila_L_Vinczer

          In it’s feeble delusional mind, it is true.

          • Teflon Expat

            Its a desperate freak and the tirade is due to losing. Its over for them so they are going for broke

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Exactly. Democracy is going to win over delusional buffoons.

      • Roger The Alien

        You mean violence as in threatening hotel staff?

        • Teflon Expat

          countdown to proof demand…its 12:11am

      • Attila_L_Vinczer

        Your fallacious and vexatious rhetoric is slanderous and libellous. Again, nothing constructive out of this clown.

        • Auntie Alias

          Hey, I wouldn’t exploit a sexually assaulted boy like AVFM did when it posted a video of his assault and violated his right to privacy. Right Dean?

          • driversuz

            Already addressed.

          • Auntie Alias

            Not to me, it wasn’t.

          • driversuz

            because you don’t see want you don’t want to see. Not my problem. Thank God.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            And who are you? An irrelevant buffoon.

          • Teflon Expat

            What, you’re not demanding evidence of something. You’re slipping, loser

          • Mykeru

            A Voice for Men “posted a video”.

            For those who have no clue what Auntie is talking about, and I assume you are legion, s/h/it is referring to a video of a grown woman grinding and tit slapping a teenage boy in a public place, filmed by parties on the scene that made its way onto various video aggregate sites: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/this-is-what-a-child-molester-looks-like-nsfw/

            That must be why it had the LiveLeak watermark and why the author of the piece “I had some struggles with knowing whether we should put this on A Voice for Men, and there was much discussion amongst the editorial staff about whether we should put this up. In the end, I decided that it’s already been seen on enough internet sites that there’s no hiding it…”

            However, thank you for going the extra mile in trying to gin up the most uncharitable interpretation possible.

          • Auntie Alias

            That’s no damn excuse for hosting it on AVFM. It’s child exploitation in the name of misogyny. In fact, if the server was in Canada, there’s a chance you could be charged with distribution of child pornography.

            You people think anything goes as long as you get to demonize women. I look forward to the day when you finally pay a legal price for your immoral activities.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            You have no clue about the CCC. Again, another useless comment from a buffoon.

            While you fixate on one element and one element only, you fail to even care about the young boy who was harmed by a female, not by AVFM.

            These are conditions, that exist, and you for some strange reason, want to harbour criminals by hiding felony acts, that is a female paedophile exploiting a prepubescent boy.

            Your spin is nothing but a tangled web of contorted confusion. Ignoring the fact that issues affecting boys are ignored, does not change the facts or make them right.

          • Auntie Alias

            What’s the CCC?

            I care about that boy, Attila. You know bloody well that I do because I ranted to you about this some time ago. I was absolutely horrified by that video because of what was being done to him and the look of fear on his face. I condemn that kind of violence and women who perpetrate it.

            Nothing absolves AVFM of their role in exploiting this boy’s pain to further their own agenda. You can pretend to yourselves that it brings awareness to female sexual predators but everyone knows they exist already. It’s just a flimsy excuse to demonize women.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Do you have a clue, what our agenda is? Do you have a clue what I do and who I am? Do you? But more importantly, what do YOU do to help men and boys who are subject to harm each day and ignored by most everyone?

            I have had my own child harmed last year by a number of women. My son was nearly killed by a woman who fed him alcohol to nearly 5 times the legal limit to drive. That is, for an adult body! This happened after she assured me my son would be safe under her supervision!!! Three hours later, rushing my son to the hospital.

            Don’t ever attempt to lecture me about when it is ok to make something public!

            If everyone knows female predators exist, why is the problem and condition ignored by our judicial systems, MSM etc.?

            In my books, hiding behind a mask, gives you ZERO credibility. if you were real, you would come out of your hiding and present yourself in an open and transparent manner.

            http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/4053430-newmarket-woman-charged-after-boy-given-booze-at-party/

          • Auntie Alias

            I know who you are.

            Female predation won’t ever be eradicated just a male predation won’t be. Bad people will always exist, You’re kidding yourself if you think there’s a conspiracy to protect women from the consequences of molesting boys. Unfortunately we live in a society where people who prey on children are often excused for their crimes; e.g., priests in the Catholic Church. Men get away with it too.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Those priests you refer to were paedophiles long before they became priests. Same holds true for CAS/CPS workers, coaches, Scout leaders, etc.

            I have 25 of my personal cases before the courts. In addition to that, I have worked on hundreds of other people’s cases where it is patently clear that men and boys are subject to tyranny.

            What about sexual abuses in women’s shelters, at the hands of CAS/CPS agencies, in foster homes? Are you aware of that?

            What I have witnessed is not my belief, they are facts. Facts that cop friends of mine tell me off the record. It is YOU who is fooling yourself to think we do not have injustices and gross prejudices against men and even boys.

            Do you think, I as a businessman would delve into this advocacy work for the fun of it? I do so at great sacrifice to ensure men and boys have a fair shake at life free of abuse and tyranny.

          • fidelbogen

            Oh cut the crap and admit that you’re a feminist! Don’t play games with us.

          • Emily Walton

            “Are you now, or have you ever been, a communist?”

          • fidelbogen

            Are you a feminist. I mean….are you?

          • Emily Walton

            Yes. And?

          • driversuz

            Oh for pete’s sake. Women get 1/3 the sentences for the exact same crimes as men. I note you didn’t answer the question about what you do on behalf of men and boys, but we all know the answer – you do everything in your power to keep them marginalized and to keep resources flowing away from them and toward women.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            You think you know who I am. You think wrong on most levels, are clueless and on a mission to destroy others. Your action, your direction is foolhardy and futile. There is not one thing about you, a nameless, faceless internet vagabond who is currently squatting on AVFM territory.

          • Mykeru

            My goodness. I remember when concern trolling was a subtle art.

            Now it’s a dead art.

          • fidelbogen

            Explain what AVfM’s “agenda” is, since you seem to be such an expert mind reader.

          • Incubus

            So when the MRM tries to bring attention to a very serious issue of exploitation by posting a video that was already circulating on the Internet, that’s exploiting the issue to further our agenda, yet when feminists try to paint Elliot Rodger as an MRA because of Pick-Up Artist videos, that’s not exploiting the issue to promote an agenda at all?

          • Mykeru

            ” there’s a chance you could be charged with distribution of child pornography”

            And there’s a chance you could be killed by frozen blue water dropped from a cruising airliner.

          • fidelbogen

            Child exploitation “in the name of misogyny”?

            Explain to us how, or where, the “name of misogyny” got mixed up in this.

            And while you’re at it, explain the bit about “demonizing women”.

            You are sounding like a wildly delusional twit, and you are making your cause look bad.

            (Whatever your “cause” is. Would you care to explain that as well?)

          • fidelbogen

            Are you saying that the woman was exploiting the “child” in the name of misogyny? How does that work, again?

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Exploited? To what end? The boy’s privacy was destroyed by the female who sexually assaulted him in front of cameras.

          • driversuz

            Exactly. The vid was everywhere. On our site it was accompanied by the appropriate commentary. It was a tough decision to post it but all damage had already been done. Posting it could do no more harm but could instead do some good.
            AA, You’re full of it.

          • Auntie Alias

            That’s what child pornographers say to excuse their vile deeds.

            If you’d taken the time to edit out his face, I’d have had no problem with it. Not doing so violated his right to privacy.

          • driversuz

            “I’d have had no problem with it.”
            Suuure.

          • Mykeru

            “That’s what child pornographers”.

            How long have you been associating with child pornographers?

            Wow, this “uncharitable interpretation” tactic really puts the “fun” in dysfunction.

          • Auntie Alias

            AVFM exploited him so they could express their hatred of women. It stored a copy of that video on their server to distribute it to a wider audience which further victimized the boy.

          • driversuz

            Hogwash.

          • fidelbogen

            Expressing their hatred of women? How so, precisely? That’ s non-evidentiary, but do explain.

            Really, do explain what you are talking about here. The burden is on you, seeing how you have made a wildly far-fetched statement.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            No, it is you and the likes of you who hate men who are exploiting AVFM and the MRM. Without us, you are a silent worthless void.

          • fidelbogen

            You are stretching for something, anything, inculpative to say here. Don’t strain too hard, you might pull a tendon.

      • Mike Hunt

        You are quite the broken record. An increasingly ridiculous and desperate sounding broken record.

      • fidelbogen

        Evidence?

        • Teflon Expat

          Its all they got. Its not about evidence

        • librtee_dot_com

          *chirp* *chirp* *chirp*

        • Emily Walton

          avoiceformen.com

          • fidelbogen

            Yes, I know that website, and I have published articles there.

            So what is your point?

          • Emily Walton

            Dude, I’ve tried to talk to you before, and seen others try. All you do is repeat “what is your point?” as if pretending not to see the obvious will make it go away.

          • fidelbogen

            Heh! This “obvious” is obviously not obvious to everybody.

            So again, what is your point?

            You’ve got some hard work to do, if you wish to be taken seriously.

            You want to talk about “obvious”? Well, it’s “obvious” to everybody that you are a feminist, yet you will not come clean about that.

            You ought to do so for starters, if you want to be taken seriously.

            Oh, and stop “pretending” to know if other people are “pretending” something. What are you pretending to be, a mind reader?

            Sounds mighty pretentious.

          • Emily Walton

            1) I already “admitted” it.

            2) “Oh, and stop “pretending” to know if other people are “pretending” something. ” – this from the man who was accusing all feminists of being liars?

          • fidelbogen

            1.) Good of you to admit that you are a feminist – my apologies for overlooking that. In the future, please observe protocol by posting that admission at the head of relevant discussions.

            I, by contrast, am a non-feminist.

            So now we’ve got the situation map all laid out.

            2.) As said, if all feminists were forced to be strict truth tellers all the time, feminism as an enterprise would collapse and blow away.

          • Emily Walton

            So you’re cool with being a hypocrite? Good to know.

          • fidelbogen

            Hypocrite? How so?

          • Emily Walton

            Yout told me not to pretend to know when other people were pretending. Yet you claim to know that feminists are all pretending (lying). You are not holding yourself to the same standard you are trying to hold me to. I don’t know how to be any clearer.

          • fidelbogen

            Feminist, do you think you don’t deserve a taste of your own, after all these years?

            But really, next time pay attention to what people are actually saying. Sometimes, nuance is important….

          • Emily Walton

            So you’re not going to answer my question, then?

          • fidelbogen

            Feminist, get over yourself. I don’t owe you any answers.

            But out of curiosity, what was the question, again?

          • Emily Walton

            Do you really think we’re all lying, that no feminist actually believes what they’re saying?

          • fidelbogen

            Did I say that I thought that? Where?

          • Incubus

            The feminists who do believe it aren’t doing anything to denounce the more prominent leaders of their movement who have made blatantly hateful statements about men, and campaigned for the release from prison of women who murder men. If you go along with a movement that conducts hate speech and you do nothing to object to it, you’re part of the problem. And I suspect most feminists here at least believe that much, or they wouldn’t label all MRAs as violent misogynists. Instead, they’d be saying “Not all MRAs are like that,” just as they do for feminists. It’s clear that all feminists do believe that double standards can be fair only when applied to themselves.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Yes, they all believe everything they say, including the lies they (feminists) think are truths.

  • Mukundray

    They’ve pulled a pretty shrewd cash grab/ cost cutting measure by moving at short notice from a centrally located conference room at the Hilton to a hall in the suburbs (that charges cheap rates) 25 miles away and outside Detroit city limits . Especially, considering that many of the attendees would have booked accommodation near the original location.

    They’re charging punters $250 per ticket, on top the 32K in donations from MRAs for “security concerns”. Even minus the cost of private security (approx $25/ hour per security guard), this has been a pretty lucrative exercise for A Voice for Men. Well, mainly Paul Elam who pockets most of AVfM’s proceeds.

    They really effectively used manufactured outrage to milk their followers. It’s a shame they don’t do anything tangible in the real world to address men’s issues. With all the heavy lifting left to non-MRM affiliated organizations and NGOs.

    • Teflon Expat

      But they have managed to offend you. Thus the tirade and super desperate attempts to divide the group. Isn’t it lunch time?

    • Uhm, excuse me, but we will be using the funds for security, legal fees, and toward the next conference, exactly as promised, but due to the change of venue will be refunding the money of any donors who think that because we changed venues they want their money back. Not sure what more anyone could ask considering the circumstances.

      • Teflon Expat

        The dangerous and threatening circumstances. Whats next? Armored vests?

      • Attila_L_Vinczer

        Keeping in mind, this entire exercise was brought on by a bunch of thugs, who are hell bent on derailing a democratic gathering, by any means, even violence.

        The level of hatred towards the men, women and children who will be attending this conference is incredulous.

        • Emily Walton

          Your attempt to sound smart by pretending to be a walking thesaurus is somewhat undermined by your frequent misuse of fairly common words.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Szívesen beszélgethetünk más nyelven is tündérkém. Csak hogy tudjad, Angol nem az első, sem második, hanem a harmadik nyelv melyet tanultam.

            Now, are you claiming to be my teacher? If you are, you put forth nothing of value. The level of my intelligence will certainly not be measured by an arrogant mind like yours. Now go and badger someone else.

            Ooops! I made the mistake of engaging in conversation with you. This will surely not end well.

    • Attila_L_Vinczer

      You have no idea what you are talking about. Your rhetoric, well dipped in speculative propaganda nonsense, has no merit or substance.

    • EqualityEd

      The non MRM affiliated NGO’s dealing with men’s issues are not getting the money they deserve because of the gender bias feminism exploits and creates by a relentless campaign of male bashing and easily debunked claims of ‘male privilege’ rooted in a racist perspective that only focuses on top tier white men. Meanwhile these mostly white women create a jobs campaign for themselves as leaders of social justice focused only on women without regard for the poor struggling men right next to these women. We have 90% of homeless boys on the streets of Pakistan suffering sexual abuse but organizations only focus on exploited women. We have vast numbers of men sexually abused in war zones but again the focus is only on women. This takes place in the domestic sphere regarding sexual and domestic violence.

      The sexism NEEDS TO STOP!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmc_SbK6Cds#t=15

      http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men

      • You’re absolutely right. And it’s after years of trying to work with these “feminists” and their clueless enablers that a lot of us have decided enough is enough. Feminism has proven by action that it is not about equality. They are NOT the only problem men face, they are NOT the cause of all the problems, but the ones with all the money and power are a BIG PART of the problem, and the ones without power who don’t call them out are acting as ENABLERS. Feminists either need to overthrow the corrupt scumbags throwing around billions of dollars in their name, OR, they need to give up their precious label of “feminist” and call themselves humanists or equalists instead. Otherwise, they’re either part of a hate movement, or they’re giving cover to a hate movement.

    • RubberPunch

      NGOs no longer help men in the same way they did before. They have been saturated with feminists thinking.

      Now NGOs has become symbiotic with government, NGOs deliver the ideology and talking points, and government deliver the funding.

      United nations, Amnesty International, Save the Children and countless other organizations has been consumed by this.

      • RubberPunch

        Just adding that I find this to be one of the most sad things about our current situation.

        The organizations that was supposed to fight for human rights, against discrimination has become facilitators of discrimination and justification of human rights violations.

        It also means that the symbiosis of NGOs and the political systems leads to a situation where governance becomes self affirming. They lose contact with the people they claim to represent, and governance become detached from the citizens.

        It’s the sort of thing that leads to unexpected eruptions, because the political layer cannot sense the people they were supposed to represent.

    • driversuz

      You of course have a copy of the budget and receipts to prove your allegations, right?

  • Teflon Expat

    Paul Elam is LOVING all of this. The world is watching. Everyone sides with the underdog.

    • Auntie Alias

      He’s loving it all right but not for the reasons you think.

      • Attila_L_Vinczer

        The amazing Kreskin speaks. This nameless buffoon now infers he/she is a mind reader. Yup, as I said before, absolutely nothing constructive emanates from this clown as it slithers beneath the snakes in the grass.

        What constructive purpose do you serve?

        • driversuz

          Weak propaganda.

      • Teflon Expat

        Watching feminists crash and burn. That is what is happening. He got his way and you did not. You lose. Deal

  • Teflon Expat

    These particular feminists are so DESPERATE to scream to the world that they have influence and can sway large corporations to their demands against those who OFFEND them. This has to do with a commonality that is either genetic are per some early trauma or a combination of factors. Please do not beat them up too much. Know what you are actually dealing with here.

    Note that Amanda Marcotte and Jessica Valenti who would typically chime in on matters concerning MRAs have not done so in this case. They have their reasons and it has to do with wisdom. There is an extreme fringe in any movement and this is it.

    • EqualityEd

      Their abuse of social justice is disgusting. Truly marginalized groups aren’t in a position to abuse power the way these white feminist women have by exploiting the very ‘white privilege’ they are claim is exclusive to white men.
      They protect a ideology rooted in bigotry and claim it to be equality. They use sexism and negative stereotypes to define innate groups as threats who must be controlled. The systematic hate needs to stop.

      • Teflon Expat

        Just exposure is enough for now. This past week these feminists have really made themselves to look stupid, whiney, threatening, desperate…like they have in the past but not to this degree. Now they have really frothed up and are in total tirade mode. The anger among them is amusingly palpable. That is why the larger feminist community nationally won’t touch this matter. It could drag down the entire movement into one big collective hissy fit and that is very bad PR

        • driversuz

          These gals are taking a page from the Ontario feminists, apparently unaware of the damage they’ve done to feminism.

          Nothing like letting a herd of sheltered suburban college girls speak for your movement, is there? What could possibly go wrong?

          • Teflon Expat

            Feminism has attempted to turn more inward and rational. The protest version from the past went away because of exactly what is playing out in Detroit. It always ended badly for them and that was BEFORE the internet and social media. The MRAs have so much material now to push into the media. If they so choose. These loose canons have no idea what they have done.

  • EqualityEd

    The SPLC lost all credibility by not labeling the now defunct RadFemHub that was literally planning genocide to reduce the male population to 10% of women’s a hate group instead lashing out at sites like AVFM who exposed them. This willingness to label a men’s advocacy groups “women haters” for demanding an end to ‘man hating’ is indicative of the corruption in social justice today with established organized who once defended the powerless acting as oppressors to silence their critics.

    This abuse of the public trust is about protecting power acquired by peddling fear, hate and resentment against any one who opposes a narrow self serving narrative. In this case the narrative is men are evil and to be feared if they dare to question feminist orthodoxy. Within this climate of antipathy towards males we have countless male victims of rape and domestic violence into the shadows. Men in the military are only 1/5 as likely to report their rape as women because we refuse to talk about males being rapes by men and women as a society.

    Groups like AVFM fight to correct these wrongs. Tarnishing them with accusations of hate is exactly what we’d expect from women’s activist who’d lost their moral compass a long time ago by adhere not dogmatic sexism that they pass off as proven theory.

    Equality comes from mutual respect not contemptuous gender ideologues looking to oppress discussion of the other sexes gender issues simply because they favor women more. People need to wake up and demand true equality so both sexes may prosper from it. Let no victim be marginalized due to their gender.

    • JuwanM

      Seems to me that the SPLC is the hate group and so are the feminist. The violently protested against the conference forcing it to move in my opinion.

      • fidelbogen

        Heh, it isn’t just your opinion. They really did move! 😉

    • fidelbogen

      The SPLC lost all credibility when it used fuzzy-set political profiling in order to encapsulate broad groups of people whom it deemed politically undesirable.

  • Auntie Alias

    A bargain basement facility because no hotel in Detroit would touch this with a ten-foot pole. LOL!

    • driversuz

      A larger facility overlookng the lake. We’ll take it.

    • Teflon Expat

      For some yet to be explained reason, the conference attendance grew by 56% in just a few days. Any ideas?

      • Auntie Alias

        I seriously doubt that’s the reason. It’s just the usual spin to cover up for the fact that the Doubletree sent AVFM packing.

        • driversuz

          You have proof of that assertion?

          • Teflon Expat

            These are very bad proof finders of anything. No credibility at all

          • driversuz

            Of course. They don’t grasp the concept of objective evidence; how would they know proof even if it bit them?

          • Teflon Expat

            They wouldn’t know aptitude if it bit them

    • Roger The Alien

      Because of dangerously violent people who threatened innocent lives.

      Kind of like how evangelical Christians threaten violence against abortion clinics and fanatical Muslims threaten cartoonists and film makers.

      • Auntie Alias

        Exaggerate much? See, this is why the MRM has zero credibility in the real world.

        • driversuz

          No exaggeration whatsoever. If the shoe fits, put it in your mouth.

        • Roger The Alien

          I fail to see how my post was an exaggeration.

          Your group made death threats to innocents much like other groups do and you and several others are here taking pride in it much like other ideological groups do when they silence those who don’t go along with their ideology.

          You’ve become the same monsters that you fight against. Congrats.

        • Attila_L_Vinczer

          Coming from a nameless buffoon, this inference must be true. This is why it has all the credibility. Not!

        • Mike Hunt

          It’s gaining more and more credibility every day. While feminism is losing more and more credibility and becoming ever more desperate and cartoonish.

          It’s a wonderful world.

    • EqualityEd

      Do you find oppression funny. It seems you do. Maybe you’ll run up and burn a cross in front of my home to drive me out of town next Auntie, and follow that with a LOL! You know I’m a male and I disagree with feminist marginalizing male victims. That’s the kind of response I should expect right?

      • Auntie Alias

        Straight white men aren’t oppressed.

        • driversuz

          Neither are Western women.

          • Teflon Expat

            Only feminist Western women. But no one seems to care. Thus the protests.

        • EqualityEd

          I’m black and maybe you think social justice should be used as a tool of oppression to all those that oppose your sexist ideology but I don’t. Men are human beings that come in all colors and when you disparage them collectively and use your vast feminist establishment to oppress their victims it becomes an issue for me. More disgusting is you dare to claim white women who benefit from all the privileges that white power affords them to be innately morally superior to the white men who fathered them it disgust me. It was white women and white men who cooperated in oppressing my people for 25 generations. I’m not the least bit surprised to see those same women employing the same sort of systematic oppression that white supremacist have long used to marginalize blacks as a tool to control their own men and all others by extension.

          • Roger The Alien

            Feminists only pretend to care about racism because it’s another movement they can make about themselves. Same with the LGBT and the Atheists… just hijacking one movement at a time.

          • EqualityEd

            Feminism is the most efficient modern day method of protecting white supremacy I’ve ever seen. They take resources that would go to minorities and redirect them back to white women from the same privileged families as white men. Right now there are 4 times as many scholarships available only to women versus a mere 6% that are race restricted. Whites only already get 75% of the scholarships with 62% of the college applications but all the challenges against affirmative action are based on race not gender.

            White women falsely playing victim of oppression is oppressive for minorities. They are vastly favored by white men and have far more resources to demand recourse. White Feminism has put minorities in the position of competing with people in the majority who the majority already favors.

            http://www.businessinsider.com/nerdwallets-college-scholarship-study-2013-8

            http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/09/study_shows_that_white_students_are_more_likely_to_get_scholarship_money.html

          • driversuz

            Hear! Hear!
            This is the heart of feminism.

          • You are right Ed. Feminism has nothing to do with equality, it is merely a tool to impose middle class white women’s sensibilities upon the rest of the world.

          • Auntie Alias

            First of all, I don’t disparage men as a group. I disparage misogynists as a group. I resent MRM claims that men as a group are oppressed.

            I do not claim white women are morally superior to anyone. I explicitly singled out white men in my previous comment because I’m keenly aware that men of colour experience more oppression than white women. Kindly read what I write instead of projecting your own biases onto me.

          • driversuz

            Backpedal much?

          • Auntie Alias

            Make up shit much?

          • Teflon Expat

            This entire thread is a feminist backpedal

          • EqualityEd

            Who do you think Black men have to go to when feminist have marginalized the issues of the entire male population? These myths of intersectionality are quickly dismissed by statistics showing white women are the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action. When the women’s issues like shaving one’s pubic hair get more press than something like the Mass Incarceration of black men (along with others) am I to suppose that’s your feminist uplifting the disadvantaged in our society.

            I’ve had enough of these gimmicks and games from powerful people who play the role of oppressed so they can gain more power. You have no business hijacking social justice to settle your personal relationship issues with the men you marry who are far more privileged than those available to women of color who struggle in poor communities right along side their impoverished men.

          • Auntie Alias

            Way to make up a narrative about me to justify your misogyny.

          • EqualityEd

            You must be one self centered person to think it’s just about you. This is bigger than you, we’re talking about billions of men who have issues that are’t being recognized as important by the societies they live in because the only sort of advocacy that’s tolerated by feminist is the sort focused on women or that uses their dogmatic anti male framing to treat men as ‘the problem’ instead of human beings who need help just like women.

          • Auntie Alias

            Dude, YOU made it about me: “You have no business hijacking social justice to settle your personal relationship issues with the men you marry”

          • EqualityEd

            If you want to play semantics, YOU represents those who’s actions you promote and defend. You as in you people are trying to oppress men’s activism that demand compassion for men. You have an agenda which has chosen to systematically ignore the issues of men and boys to elevate those of women. You are hurting REAL PEOPLE!

          • driversuz

            I think the fact that he used the plural “men” indicates that he’s addressing more than just you. Unless, wait. How many ex-husbands do you have anyway?

          • Mike Hunt

            And how many dead husbands? It’s pretty likely that she’s an Elizabeth Sheehy fan.

          • EqualityEd

            As previously explained this highly inclusive YOU is representative of your movement, its agenda. I’m still seeing articles on men doing housework as if your man not washing your dishes is OUR PROBLEM! That’s not social justice, that’s some petty crap that belongs in Cosmo which white feminist women used their power to elevate into a social crisis. You saturate the dialog with nonsense issues such that truly marginalized people or issues affecting those we don’t usually focus on never get addressed.

            Are you understanding now? Do you understand THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SELF CENTERED CRAP!

          • Mike Hunt

            You are completely devoid of self awareness.

        • Roger The Alien

          But straight, white, middle class women are? HAHAHA

      • Please write to me or call me, Ed, if you’re from the area you’re someone I should know. 313-334-4887, and my email address is on the masthead at AVfM.

        • EqualityEd

          Dean I wish I was from the area but I’m more than happy to do anything I can to help.

    • For the record, nothing about our war veterans, including the facilities they dedicate to soldiers who serve all of us, is “bargain basement.”

      Your statement here is deplorable, and represents precisely why a new dialog about gender is critical to our future.

      We are proud to be having this important event in a place that commemorates and serves the brave people who paid the price for our right to have it.

      Shame on you.

      Paul Elam, publisher, A Voice for Men

      • Auntie Alias

        Spin it all you like, Paul. Perhaps you should have a chat with Janet Bloomfield about disparaging the facility.

      • Emily Walton

        You’re laying it on a little thick there, Paulie.

        • I am dealing with thick people, Emmy.

  • Teflon Expat

    Help meee! I can’t get no satisfaction. Pleeeasse help me. Just just some proof….pleasse, ahhhh. Someone send me proof of that letter, waaah waaaah, Hilton won’t talk to me. The police hang up saying I am crazy. My own family can’t stand to be around me now. All because of these MRAs…its them…they did this to me. Please, just a little proof. Throw me something!
    –Obsessed psycho feminist

    • Guest

      Mmmmm tears.

      • Teflon Expat

        Mmmmm tubs of Breyers

      • driversuz

        Feminist tears are everywhere. they are also known as crocodile tears.

        • Teflon Expat

          In Sharpie colors

        • fidelbogen

          Yes, and crocodiles live in a river called de-Nile! 🙂

  • Roger The Alien

    It’s funny how AVfM are painted as a hate group in the article above, but you don’t hear about them threatening to hurt or harm workers at the femi-cons…

    • Lea Tapp

      You’ve never heard of MRAs threatening, harassing or doxxing feminists?
      LOL!

      • Roger The Alien

        No, I’ve never heard of MRAs sending death threats to innocent workers surrounding feminist functions.

        • Jonathan Taylor

          Me neither! Perhaps someone could provide some decent evidence?

        • anla

          Elam now claims it never happened. That the hotel just wanted them out. Go read his post on it.

      • Jonathan Taylor

        I’ve heard of lots of false accusations about it. Usually, “threatening” involves “asking hard questions,” and “doxxing” involves publishing information that’s already been widely publicly circulated by the people who are supposedly “being doxxed.”

        When people actually research the movement, they find out they have been lied to. We don’t need everyone who visits our sites to see past the lies of Feminism. We just need 5-10%, and we usually get more than that.

        That’s why, no matter how much Feminists & Friends slander us, we just keeps growing. It’s like magic!

        • wiier9l
          • fidelbogen

            Yes, we see your little cheezy llttle web graphic. Nice work, but would you explain to us why it is relevant to the discussion here? What “truth” are you talking about?

            Please explain your “message”, because it is not evident to other people.

          • wiier9l

            u still mad faaagggot? lol!!

        • J2.0

          False accusations? Visit matt Forney’s site. He glories in doxxing an older female blogger.

          • driversuz

            Matt is most emphatically not a member of the MRM.

          • J2.0

            Red pill is red pill, but I won’t waste my day arguing with you about.
            What you imagine as factions in a growing and vibrant movement all washes out into the same crackpottery in the public mind. That’s undeniable.

          • karen straughan

            So what you’re saying is that feminist is feminist. That all feminists are represented by any given feminist.

            So you’re saying that all feminists (including yourself) are represented by the defunct website of Cathy Brennan–Radical Hub, which hosted such illuminating discussions as whether men should be culled down to 10-30% of the human population, or whether they just need “genetic modification” in order for them to stop being monsters. Also on the discussion roster was a woman’s right to kill her newborn if it’s male, how elementary school boys were “little future rapists”, using male criminals as sources of animal glue and leather, and the possible necessity of having to kill off most of the women too in the service of a feminist utopia, since most women are so brainwashed that they’d fight to keep the oppressive system in place.

            After all, a feminist is a feminist, right?

          • J2.0

            No, Karen, but you all say that “feminist is feminist.” In fact, your categorizing me, a person to whom you have never spoken before as a feminist, says a lot about your mindset–as does your rant about Cathy Brennan, who btw I’ve never heard of before. But nice try at derailing the conversation. It gives credence to my point.

          • Kimski
          • fidelbogen

            You haven’t even told us if you are a feminist or not.

          • J2.0

            Just someone sitting on the sidelines, having a laugh, actually. Nothing funnier than watching extremists of all stripes clash.
            Have a good day, kids, Though I sort of doubt that good days are typical for any of you. You all seem so shrill.

          • Jonathan Taylor

            So long as you are on the sidelines, that is where you seem to deserve to be!

          • fidelbogen

            Sideline? I should rather say, the white line on the asphalt – which is not a healthy place to be.

          • fidelbogen

            Then you are a feminist?

            Thank you for making that clear.

          • Jonathan Taylor

            Libertarians also use the “red pill” rhetoric. So do the developers of the Matrix. I heard Hitler drinks water just like we do. Amazing how much we all have in common!

            Weak, weak arguments.

          • fidelbogen

            “Red pill” is a reference to a movie called “The Matrix”. It is a metaphor.

            All right, so will you explain what you mean by the statement “red pill is red pill”?

          • karen straughan

            Did Forney used to go by the blog name Ferdinand Bardamu? Or am I thinking of someone else?

          • fidelbogen

            Yes, Forney is the artist formerly known as Ferdinand Bardamu. He is famous for taking exception to the word “pro-male”.

          • fidelbogen

            That’s true, but then again, neither am I.

          • Guest

            That is true, and he expressly says so himself.

            Not that it matters – only individuals are responsible for their actions.

          • fidelbogen

            Why do you mention this Matt Forney person? Who the hell is he and why is he relevant here? The world is a big place and it contains all kinds of people. We already knew that, so would you please explain what your point is?

          • Jonathan Taylor

            Matt Forney’s an MRA? LOL, news to me.

            Citation required!

      • I’ve heard of it, but I’ve never seen it happen. On the other hand, I’ve been falsely accused of it multiple times. It kind of gets old.

      • fidelbogen

        You haven’t even explained what an “MRA” is, yet you are already making these accusations.

        But apart from that, I am curious to know which “MRAs” (if you can define that term) actually threatened or “doxxed” any feminist?

        “Harassing” is a separate topic, and I will leave it aside here.

        • Emily Walton

          God, you sound like Clinton at the impeachment hearings. “I can’t answer your accusation, so I’ll make you define all your terms first and hope no one notices what a lame diversion it is”

          • fidelbogen

            Lame diversion? Look who’s talking.

            If you cannot address the points in my above comment, be good enough to say so.

            And I am not Bill Clinton, by the way. Not even close. Where did you get that crazy idea?

            Finally, if you are a feminist, don’t hide it.

      • “You’ve never heard of MRAs threatening, harassing or doxxing feminists?”

        Of Course – but you have literacy issues and so confuse spellings MRA AVfM.

        I know that it is very hard for those with recent college educations to tell the difference between TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) and Four Letter Ones. Such as PMT PTSD. Thwe cost of eduction has risen but quality has reduced in social sciences and liberal arts.

        You seem to have fallen for some undue influence and stopped thinking

        http://imgur.com/jMxOy6X

      • daboys1215 .

        Citation please? Feminists do all of threatening. MRA’s just expose them.

    • Emily Walton

      Did you miss that whole thing in Toronto with the red-haired woman? Or how Rebecca Watson is still getting death threats?

      • Roger The Alien

        Seems you missed the point of my post.

        I was referring to the people who work to put the events together, not the people who make wild claims, swear and cuss at people in public or provoke unknowns on the internet.

        I’m talking about the hotel workers the feminists were sending death threats to, not the speakers at the convention.

        While I don’t agree with threatening anyone, when people choose to make their lives public provocative way, they open themselves up to crazy.

        While MRAs gets the same shit, it seems they can deal with it a little better than “strong” women.

        • Emily Walton

          “MRAs have never threatened this very small subset of people, so it’s OK!”

          • Roger The Alien

            Yeah, you fail at basic reading.

          • Emily Walton

            Or maybe I value sarcasm more than actually trying to engage with you.

          • Roger The Alien

            That wasn’t sarcasm. Sorry.

            You don’t know what sarcasm is yet I’m supposed to believe you know what satire is?

          • Roger The Alien

            And BTW, Chanty Morris and Rebbecca Watson were the worst examples you could have cited.

            Chanty is loud mouth who swears at people and name calls to get her learned talking points across and Watson is a proven liar and alarmist.

          • Emily Walton

            Both of which deserve to be met with threats of rape and death, right?

          • Roger The Alien

            Nope. I don’t condone threats made to people for the things they say. I’ve said this already.

            However, Watson and Morris were never able to give proof that they were threatened with valid threats of death and rape over the internet. Watson has especially lied countless times about rape threats and shown no existence of them.

            And how stable can we really take someone who equates a stuttering nerd of a man asking her for a cup of coffee on an elevator to possible rape?

          • DENIZ

            YEAH we supposed to believe that someone threatened a feminist with rape when feminists believe that just having sex with a woman is rape or looking at a woman is rape !! WITH SUCH definition of rape one can be sure that if a FEMINIST CLAIMS RAPE IT MUST BE A FALSE RAPE CLAIM THAT ONLY ESXISTS IN HER WOMEN STUDIES ADDLED BRAIN

      • fidelbogen

        The red-haired feminist in Toronto was a disgrace to the human race, so what is your point about her?

        Also, if it is true that Rebecca Watson is “still” getting death threats (was it ever?), how is that relevant? It sounds like a matter for the police.

    • Emily Walton

      Also, register-her.com, run by Paul “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection” Elam.

      • fidelbogen

        Your point?

      • Incubus

        Register-her very much needs to exist. In fact, I think it was better the old way, when it was just a registry for women who make false rape accusations.

        Is there some reason you think it shouldn’t exist, when women can currently get a man placed on the sex offender registry by pointing a finger?

  • Guys, Your message might carry more weight if you stop calling people names and posting anonymously, .

    • driversuz

      Feminists are generally ashamed to have their names connected to their words. It makes them look like bigots.

      • Teflon Expat

        And they are now FREAKING over a few loose canons who made DEATH THREATS. Its 11:22. How long to the first denial and demand for proof?

        • sarahgray

          If there is proof, please present it.

          • driversuz

            Translation: “I don’t want to believe it therefore I can’t see it.”

          • Teflon Expat
          • driversuz

            Shall I just paste the verification in response to every one of your comments, regardless of the subject? That would mirror exactly what you are doing.

          • sarahgray

            You have not presented said evidence even once after weeks of alleging threats.

          • driversuz

            David Futrelle, feminist “journalist,” posted it. You believed him when he said Rodger was and MRA, didn’t you? Are you doubting his credibility now?
            You sure are fickle, aren’t you?

          • sarahgray

            If you have the details, go ahead and post them. a week ago the police and FBI said no threats were made.

            I would be interested in knowing who made those supposed threats, certainly.

          • We have presented evidence repeatedly, and it’s been verified by multiple sources. Repeatedly claiming something false is called a “lie.” Now that you know what you just said is false, if you repeat it, you’re a liar.

          • sarahgray

            A letter the Doubletree won’t confirm is not evidence.
            The police saying threats were made (especially after saying no threats were made) is not evidence of what you are claiming either.

            What happened to the two hotels y’all put deposits down at?

          • driversuz

            What two hotels?

          • sarahgray

            The two hotels Dean claimed you put deposits down at.

          • driversuz

            I missed that. Link?

    • Guest

      You mean like “Wayne State Cunts?”

      Tell me about trying to get Emma Howland-Bolton fired and then talk to me again about anonymity.

      • fools2234

        Why don’t you look up some of the NoMRA comments made by feminists. You except us to play nice with those people, who are irrationally attacking a group of people simply because they don’t like when mens issues get any attention.

        Again, look up the NoMRA comments, seems to be a lot of 12 year old feminists leaving immature bs in place of having an argument.

      • EqualityEd

        I can’t even name all the men feminist have tried to get fired for speaking out against them or publicly challenging their narrative on issues. There is a petition to get George Will fired write now with articles in several publications demanding such. We’ve seen this time and again but it’s not questioned. The lesser known people are also targeted. People have been sent to jail for saying the wrong things to feminist in places like Canada and the United Kingdom. .

        • I know more than one man who’s had his life threatened and lost his job for DARING be critical of feminist ideology even POLITELY. That is why a lot of us have had enough and will no longer speak politely to or about these bigots.

      • Does this woman scare you so much you have to hide your identity?

  • Mykeru

    That’s some fine shill-work there, Steve.

  • Guest

    HAHAHAHAA!!! GTFO! They have to be at a VFW hall! What a kick in their rustled jimmies! HAHAHA.. Enjoy NOT Detroit! What about the block of rooms at the Doubletree? That’s at least a 20-25 min drive from that venue. I guess Motel 6 is more up your speed! HAHAHAHAAHA!!! OMG you guys literally were driven out of Detroit! HAAHAHA!

    • Roger The Alien

      FUCK YEAH! Sent death threats to hotel staff and threatened the innocents who merely worked at a hotel because we disagree with words. YAY!!! FEMINISM!!!!

      • Guest

        /r/Thathappened.

      • sarahgray

        There is still no evidence that death threats were made, let alone that anyone involved in the protest made any threats.

        • Teflon Expat
        • fools2234

          Actually your king David Futrelle (the guy the SPLC used as their “source” to “prove” MRAs are hateful) confirmed that their have indeed been death threats lobbed at Hotel staff:

          http://i.imgur.com/9CP1iCm.png

          Anything to say feminist?

          • sarahgray

            The existence of police reports is not evidence that threats were made, who made them, or who reported them.

          • driversuz

            That sounds suspiciously like “LALALALALA! I can’t heeeear you!” But by all means keep making a fool of yourself.

          • Teflon Expat

            Feminists made the threats when the petition wasn’t enough. Its ok, its ok to be angry and lash out. Feminists are human. Its natural. Its ok now. You can rest. All is forgiven. Forgiveness is what you seek. Its all good now. You’re ok now.

          • Auntie Alias

            Baseless accusation.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            For all we know, it may have been you.

          • Mike Hunt

            Or almost certainly was. In an earlier thread she made a Freudian slip and personally denied having made the threats without ever having been accused.

            Guilty conscience.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Actus reus and mens rea.

          • Auntie Alias

            You’re welcome for the link. However, it doesn’t say DEATH threats.

          • driversuz

            No, Hilton is the party that said “death” threats.

          • Auntie Alias

            That fake letter again?

          • Teflon Expat

            Right! Such an obsession. Its fake..Its fake..Its fake..Its fake..aaarrrgghhh!

          • driversuz

            The one backed up by police reports? Yeah, that’s the one.
            If this is all you’ve got, your desperation is palpable. Poor thing.

          • Auntie Alias

            Show me the police reports. The case numbers don’t count.

          • driversuz

            That would be against DPD policy, until the reporting party gives permission. Just ask your alter ego Futrelle. He’s a “journalist” who verified their existence.

          • Auntie Alias

            Of course it’s against police policy. So you have no proof of death threats other than a letter of dubious origin.

          • driversuz

            No we have police confirmation that the threats were reported. The exact contents of the reports are what is confidential. Are you really that obtuse or is it just your internet persona?

          • Teflon Expat

            This is all personal

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            How do you engage with a fog? Show your face and your name, then we can engage in meaningful discussion or exchange of information. Otherwise you are not much more than a comical hoax.

          • Auntie Alias

            Why? So you can sue me for something perceived slight?

          • Teflon Expat

            Hilton is a professional honorable accomplished polished company. Thus, they don’t consort with feminists.

          • sarahgray

            No they didn’t. No evidence whatsoever.

          • Teflon Expat
          • driversuz

            Translation:
            “LALALALALA! I can’t heeear you!”

          • Teflon Expat

            Mass ice cream consumption does cause temporary insanity

          • Emily Walton

            1) Dave Futrelle isn’t that big a deal in feminism. 2) Like we would let a man be the boss of us!

        • Roger The Alien

          The hotel reported it to the police, but I guess that doesn’t count.

          • sarahgray

            There’s no evidence that the hotel did any such thing.

          • fools2234

            http://i.imgur.com/9CP1iCm.png

            Comment by David Futrelle who is the guy the SPLC used as their “source” in attacking mens rights websites. You feminists love him and he is confirming that the hotel has reported to the police the death threats (from feminists, who ironically like crying “hate group”) that they have been getting.

          • driversuz

            Pretty sure I mentioned yesterday that the police confirmed it. Perhaps police confirmation is not sufficient evidence for you?

          • sarahgray

            Where did the police confirm the hotel reported threats, or what the threats were concerning?

          • Teflon Expat

            I will not stop..I will not stop..I will not stop..I will not stop..I will not stop..

          • driversuz

            Your hero Futrelle verified it. Did you not look at the posts in this very comment thread? Sheesh!

          • Roger The Alien

            Something tells me that don’t you have any interest in facts, so…

          • driversuz

            Facts give feminists a rash.

          • Roger The Alien

            That’s because extreme feminism comes from mental illness.

        • driversuz

          Gosh I hope Hilton doesn’t face charges for making false reports to the police.

          • sarahgray

            There’s no evidence the hotel reported threats.

            What happened to the two hotels you put deposits down at?

          • driversuz

            Translatio:
            “LALALALALA! I can’t heeeear you!”

            What two hotels?

          • Teflon Expat

            Crap. She knows…and will be calling them

    • EqualityEd

      So you take pride in bullying people? You think it’s all fun and games that male victims don’t get advocates because you are too busy having a ball hating? This disgusting crap you do isn’t social justice. If you want to teach someone a lesson it ought be in compassion of which you clearly have none when it comes to men and boys.

      • Auntie Alias

        Get back to me when AVFM apologizes for exploiting a boy by posting a video of him being sexually assaulted without hiding his face. You people don’t give a shit about men and boys. Your whole schtick is hating on women.

        • driversuz

          Oh please.

          • Auntie Alias

            Doesn’t he deserve the right to privacy? Dean Esmay in particular should be ashamed for posting that video. But nooooooooo. It’s more important to make a statement that women are evil than to protect the interests of a victimized boy. It’s despicable.

          • driversuz

            Strange how the vast majority of people who posted that video did it because they thought it was funny, and you didn’t mention them. You only mention the ones who posted it because we found it despicable.
            Nice try.

          • Auntie Alias

            What AVFM *should* have done was gone to bat for that boy and demand that other sites take down the video. Even if it didn’t work it would have demonstrated caring for that boy and all others like him. If other sites thought that horrific video was funny, AVFM could have called them out for it.

          • driversuz

            The article “demonstrated caring for that boy and all others like him,” just not by the means you suggest.

            Next time we’ll do it your way, since the feminist way has had such great results for suffering males. M’kay?

          • Auntie Alias

            You’re ignoring the main point that this boy’s privacy was violated by every site that hosted that video, including AVFM.

          • RubberPunch

            Because anything that goes against the narrative must be hidden away.

          • Mike Hunt

            “AVFM could have called them out for it.”

            That’s exactly what they did. My God you are thick.

  • fools2234

    Steve the pos mangina, why don’t you look up some of the comments WE have received in response to attempting to set up this conference.

    They censor, send DEATH THREATS to hotel staff and attack us at every turn and you expect our responses to be “nice”.

    Sorry, but F that and screw your bias reporting of what is happening. So sick of you liberal, media lapdogs covering for these hateful people.

    • fools2234

      BTW Steve, maybe you might want to consider looking into some of the issues we are wanting addressed:

      http://www.cultural-misandry.com/mens-rights/

      Instead of taking the most “radical” quotes you can find and using them to attempt to paint us like morons.

      Also btw, rapes are exaggerated, here is proof:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html

      Inform yourself bigot.

    • sarahgray

      Yes, calling him a mangina makes it clear you respect women.

      • Teflon Expat

        WHAT!? No desperate cry for threat evidence!? Come. ON

      • karen straughan

        Do you even know what “mangina” means? Or are you going by the definition provided by the group that did not invent the term?

        A mangina is someone who disrespects women by being only interested in getting into their vaginas, and willing to indulge their every stupidity and defend their every bad act, in order to achieve that.

        Other examples include “yes, dear”ing and “pussy begging”.

        Mangina-ism requires a lack of respect for both women, and the self.

        “This man is only agreeing with me because I have a vagina–he is a mangina.”

        • sarahgray

          I wasn’t under the impression that Steve is under the impression that he’s going to get laid by reporting on your conference and the protests against it.

          It’s just another way of putting down a man by telling him he’s like a woman.

          • karen straughan

            Last I checked, most women are not so desperate for the opposite sex’s approval that they’ll completely disregard all contrary evidence and just parrot what the opposite sex says.

            He is NOT behaving like a woman. He’s being a mangina.

            And no, it’s not necessarily about getting laid *on the surface*. It IS about getting female approval, which is a source of social status for men.

          • fidelbogen

            Nope, you evidently don’t know what the word “mangina” means.

      • fidelbogen

        Sarahgray, you said this:

        “Yes, calling him a mangina makes it clear you respect women.”

        Explain that statement, because we’re not sure what you are talking about.

        Parse out clearly what you are saying, in a way that we can get hold of it.

        Don’t use weasel language, feminist.

  • driversuz

    “…inflammatory remarks…”
    The only reason many of your readers know the MHRM exists. We call it FTSU and man does it work!

    • fidelbogen

      That’s right. We know from experience that “being nice” gets you bupkis. All revolutions, of any kind, come into their own only when they decide to not play nice with the ruling powers any more.

  • It will be interesting to see what a small group of extreme feminist protesters will attempt next?

    I do have to wonder exactly what it is they fear being discussed at this INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE – it’s not just about The USA, but given how narrow minded and even racist so many bigots are, it;s not surprising that they can’t see over their very limited Horizons.

    Boko Haram Gendercide: A Vote Of No Confidence In The United Nations

    The failure of The United Nations to deal with the slaughter of males by Boko Haram is another example of Institutional Misandry and the politicization of male disposability.

    Should anyone be amazed that Gendercide of males by Boko Haram, ongoing for years, is ignored by media and feminists?

  • DannyZeta

    “clashed over the costs of extra security ”
    -Unsubstantiated allegation

    Which one is the official confirmed spokeswoman?

    • sarahgray

      Janet Bloomfield has identified herself as the social media director for the conference.

      • DannyZeta

        I see he edited the post to correct his mistake in the first quote which was attributed to another person.

      • Guest

        Janet Bloomfield is a social media director who knows nothing about social media apparently.

        • driversuz

          She got your attention, didn’t she?

          • Guest

            By failing Social Media 101.

          • driversuz

            I rather thought that the whole point of social media is to bring attention to events and ideas. How is it a failure if it’s working?

          • sarahgray

            When you libel the manager of the only venue that will host you. That’s pretty stupid.

          • Teflon Expat

            What you going to do about this claim? Let me help you: NOTHING!!

          • driversuz

            Do you know what “libel” means? What a nonsensical statement.

          • Auntie Alias

            Yes, it’s libel.

          • sarahgray

            Somehow, I doubt anyone from the venue said that.

          • I doubt anyone at the venue said that too. Methinks Janet got overexcited. She’s kind of a bitch that way. 😉

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            This rule has served me well. Believe nothing that you hear and only half the things you see. Then again, there are those who have preconceived beliefs, regardless of reality.

          • thekuriousoranj

            This appears to be something you could successfully argue is libel.